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Post by TGM on May 11, 2018 16:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on May 11, 2018 16:43:26 GMT -5
Steamboat vs Savage
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Post by Mozenrath on May 11, 2018 16:43:46 GMT -5
It didn't do it for me, personally. Like, I actually like HBK vs Mankind at Mind Games more, as far as Shawn matches go.
It's a very good match, mind you, and I get why people would dig the pageantry of it, but it didn't hit the sweet spot for me.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 11, 2018 16:44:30 GMT -5
It's all opinion. If you think it's the greatest then it's the greatest. My pick would be Benoit, Michaels, HHH.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 11, 2018 16:45:21 GMT -5
Nah. "Finish, Kick out, finish, kick out, finish, kick out" is a match a lot of guys would get lambasted for, but because it's HBK and 'Taker, they get a pass. And all that match is is "Finish, kick out" ad infinitum.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 11, 2018 16:48:32 GMT -5
It's certainly up there. I can think of others on a similar level, or that I personally prefer, but I can't think of a single match (in or out of WWE) that I could say is definitively better.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:54:17 GMT -5
Hbk/angle at 21 blows it out of the water.
I'm definitely biased, I've never cared for taker (or hbk either, started watching in 2004) outside his Batista & Edge feuds.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:55:50 GMT -5
Honestly it's not even my favorite Michaels / Taker match. Or favorite Streak match.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 11, 2018 17:03:34 GMT -5
Honestly it's not even my favorite Michaels / Taker match. Or favorite Streak match. Seriously, the first Hell in A Cell is one million percent their best match together. That match's story, alongside the amazing ending with Kane debuting, puts it head and shoulders above anything they did at any 'Mania. |
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Post by KobashiChop on May 11, 2018 17:09:45 GMT -5
Nah. "Finish, Kick out, finish, kick out, finish, kick out" is a match a lot of guys would get lambasted for, but because it's HBK and 'Taker, they get a pass. And all that match is is "Finish, kick out" ad infinitum. Size vs Speed established straight away as Shawn rushes around the ring trying to avoid getting tangled in a fist fight with Taker. Unfortunately Taker is way too quick for his size for Shawn to do this. Shawn gets thrown onto the turnbuckle and tells Taker to suck it. For all the Light vs Dark stuff he pushes, he's still the cocky prick that Taker had to deal with 11-12 years earlier. As evidence by Shawn faking an injury to gain the upper hand. Taker breaks out the classics such as Old School and the leg drop on the apron. You go to your tried and tested favourites unless forced out of it. Shawn goes for the kick at one point but Taker falls pre-emptively. Shawn immediately chases him into the inverted figure 4. Not a second waisted. Shawn never loses sight of the task at hand. No playing to the crowd, it's all business. Taker throws up Hell's Gate in return, Shawn scrambles for the ropes. He doesn't give it a chance. Even with their minimal contact over the last 12 years, he knows what to look for. Shawn uses multiple go for broke tactics throughout the match because A) the task at hand and B) hes the Showstopper. Here he goes for the moonsault to the floor where Taker just swats him to the ground. Taker goes for the top rope dive and Shawn throws a prone body in front of him, which ends up in Taker spiking his head. Shawn then realises he has a chance to end the Streak. A countout is a win. That's all that matters. You can see the desperation in his face as Taker inches closer and closer to the ring and finally gets back in to Shawn's dismay. I wrote this off the top of my head, this is the first half of the match, not one finisher is kicked out of. There are 2 finisher kickouts in this match (3 if you still consider The Last Ride a genuine finisher, as I cant remember the last match he won with it). Shawn lands one genuine Sweet Chin Music and Takers first Tombstone gets kicked out of. It irritates the shit out of me when people just write this match off as a kickout fest. If you dont like it thats fine, but disliking it for completely erroneous reasoning is pretty weak. It sounds like someone watched a highlight vid of the match and just decided that must have been what the whole 30 mins was. |
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Post by The Yes Man on May 11, 2018 17:23:21 GMT -5
I liked 26 better, there was more drama to that one in my opinion. I wouldn’t call that the best match in WWE history either though.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 17:24:34 GMT -5
Nah. "Finish, Kick out, finish, kick out, finish, kick out" is a match a lot of guys would get lambasted for, but because it's HBK and 'Taker, they get a pass. And all that match is is "Finish, kick out" ad infinitum. I think this match may be responsible for so many matches today looking like that. |
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Post by MrElijah on May 11, 2018 17:30:54 GMT -5
My personal WWF/E Top Ten
1)Bret vs. Owen, WMX
2)TLC II, WMXVII
3)Savage vs. Warrior, WMVII
4)Rock vs. HHH, Summerslam '98
5)DIY vs. The Revival, Takeover Toronto
6)HBK vs. Taker, Badd Blood
7)Austin vs. Hart, WMXIII
8)HHH vs. Cactus Jack, Royal Rumble 2000
9)The 1992 Royal Rumble Match
10)10 Man Tag, Canadian Stampede: In Your House
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Post by DiBiase is Good on May 11, 2018 17:36:02 GMT -5
No. It’s not even the best match I’ve been in attendance for.
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Post by abjordans on May 11, 2018 17:36:09 GMT -5
I had a great time watching it live, but have never rewatched it. First Hell in the Cell is my favorite Taker/HBK match.
This is a random thought, but for some reason is one of the first that popped in my head... I would rank Punk/Cena MITB 11 above Taker/HBK at Mania 25.
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Post by The Ichi on May 11, 2018 17:41:10 GMT -5
I've never really compilled a top 10 (though now i'm thinking I should), but it would definitely be on there.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 17:47:36 GMT -5
It’s as close to a perfect match as one is likely to get at Wrestlemania. Amazing match.
Best WWE matches for me:
HBK/Taker WM 25
Gargano/Ciampa Takeover: New Orleans
Shield/Wyatt Family Elimination Chamber ‘14
Punk/Cena MITB ‘11
Bryan/HHH WM 30
Savage/Warrior WM 7
Benoit/Angle Royal Rumble ‘03
There are others that are really good, but these matches are all among the best for different reasons for me.
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Post by KobashiChop on May 11, 2018 17:48:29 GMT -5
I liked 26 better, there was more drama to that one in my opinion. I wouldn’t call that the best match in WWE history either though. I think what sets 25 ahead of 26 for me is that 26 is pretty much a foregone conclusion that Shawn is losing, and I guess for some reason that just detracts from the match for me. Not saying its a great reason, but everyone has one I guess. |
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Post by TGM on May 11, 2018 17:50:35 GMT -5
Nah. "Finish, Kick out, finish, kick out, finish, kick out" is a match a lot of guys would get lambasted for, but because it's HBK and 'Taker, they get a pass. And all that match is is "Finish, kick out" ad infinitum. Size vs Speed established straight away as Shawn rushes around the ring trying to avoid getting tangled in a fist fight with Taker. Unfortunately Taker is way too quick for his size for Shawn to do this. Shawn gets thrown onto the turnbuckle and tells Taker to suck it. For all the Light vs Dark stuff he pushes, he's still the cocky prick that Taker had to deal with 11-12 years earlier. As evidence by Shawn faking an injury to gain the upper hand. Taker breaks out the classics such as Old School and the leg drop on the apron. You go to your tried and tested favourites unless forced out of it. Shawn goes for the kick at one point but Taker falls pre-emptively. Shawn immediately chases him into the inverted figure 4. Not a second waisted. Shawn never loses sight of the task at hand. No playing to the crowd, it's all business. Taker throws up Hell's Gate in return, Shawn scrambles for the ropes. He doesn't give it a chance. Even with their minimal contact over the last 12 years, he knows what to look for. Shawn uses multiple go for broke tactics throughout the match because A) the task at hand and B) hes the Showstopper. Here he goes for the moonsault to the floor where Taker just swats him to the ground. Taker goes for the top rope dive and Shawn throws a prone body in front of him, which ends up in Taker spiking his head. Shawn then realises he has a chance to end the Streak. A countout is a win. That's all that matters. You can see the desperation in his face as Taker inches closer and closer to the ring and finally gets back in to Shawn's dismay. I wrote this off the top of my head, this is the first half of the match, not one finisher is kicked out of. There are 2 finisher kickouts in this match (3 if you still consider The Last Ride a genuine finisher, as I cant remember the last match he won with it). Shawn lands one genuine Sweet Chin Music and Takers first Tombstone gets kicked out of. It irritates the shit out of me when people just write this match off as a kickout fest. If you dont like it thats fine, but disliking it for completely erroneous reasoning is pretty weak. It sounds like someone watched a highlight vid of the match and just decided that must have been what the whole 30 mins was. Lmao this owns |
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Post by KobashiChop on May 11, 2018 17:53:45 GMT -5
In answer to the original question, I cant pinpoint the best ever match in WWE but to spitball a few off the top of my head:
Taker/Michaels WM 25
Cena vs Punk MITB 11
Gargano vs Ciampa from Takeover NOLA
Gargano vs Almas from Takeover Philly
Melina vs Alicia Fox
Austin vs Rock Mania 19
Angle vs HBK Mania 21
Taker/HHH Mania 28
Shield vs Team Hell No/Ryback TLC 2012
Bayley vs Sasha at Takeover: Brooklyn
DIY vs The Revival at Takeover Toronto.
Sami Zayn vs Neville
Sami Zayn vs Shinsuke Nakamura
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