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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 20:10:29 GMT -5
One of the problems with hearlding the demise of an older medium for entertainment is that it hasn't actually happened as often as you think.
Sure, we'll lose stuff, but it won't go away forever. The thing is that I see television going more low budget and try to be more open creatively at the same time. Reality television is actually expensive and people have been burned out by it, so "three camera" shows may likely spawn more.
And sports. Let's not forget sports. Right now, the only things exclusive to streaming media are the annual Jacksonville Jaguars game in London & the Chicago Fire, who have a history of pissing off fans.
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Post by Sam Punk on May 12, 2018 21:39:21 GMT -5
Networks haven't cared about ratings for a while. Shows with high ratings have gotten cancelled while shows with low ratings have been kept. It's all about ad revenue now.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 12, 2018 22:29:34 GMT -5
And on top of that, don't look now but Netflix, despite their growing base, is having a hard time actually making money (IE profit) last I checked. The cost of producing their own shows, many of which aren't very good, is proving to be quite a hurdle as is their general operating costs and with other companies, including other content producers, going into streaming as well the rights costs for non-netflix originals will probably become unsustainable at their current price point. Netflix's revenue hit $11.6 billion last year and they posted a net profit of $558 million, their most profitable year on record, and is set to beat that total by the end of the second quarter of this year. www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-is-growing-even-faster-and-streaming-to-record-profit-totals-2018-04-16
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 12, 2018 22:31:50 GMT -5
Cable television is dying a slow and undignified death. Eventually everything will be streaming. Not necessarily, there's the death of Net Neutrality. That is going to have a massive impact on television and streaming.
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Post by ayumidah on May 13, 2018 2:18:25 GMT -5
Networks don’t give a shit what’s popular on Netflix, or what trends on Twitter or what’s most popular on Reddit. They give a shit about ad revenue. That’s why tv even exists, as a means to sell ads. If a show is popular, but the network isn’t making money on it then it doesn’t survive pure and simple. On a rare occasion a show might survive if it’s critically acclaimed or wins lots of Emmy’s but even that only goes so far Syndication counts too. Just had Elementary, which has always skewed low on ratings, get renewed for season seven off of what CBS gets from syndication fees so that's interesting. Thought for sure it'd be done after this season.
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Post by Rave on May 13, 2018 2:52:10 GMT -5
Networks don’t give a shit what’s popular on Netflix, or what trends on Twitter or what’s most popular on Reddit. They give a shit about ad revenue. That’s why tv even exists, as a means to sell ads. If a show is popular, but the network isn’t making money on it then it doesn’t survive pure and simple. On a rare occasion a show might survive if it’s critically acclaimed or wins lots of Emmy’s but even that only goes so far Syndication counts too. Just had Elementary, which has always skewed low on ratings, get renewed for season seven off of what CBS gets from syndication fees so that's interesting. Thought for sure it'd be done after this season. I'm surprised it got renewed, considering CBS keeps moving it around. It even had a stay in the ever-problematic Sunday night lineup.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 13, 2018 5:26:30 GMT -5
Networks don’t give a shit what’s popular on Netflix, or what trends on Twitter or what’s most popular on Reddit. They give a shit about ad revenue. That’s why tv even exists, as a means to sell ads. If a show is popular, but the network isn’t making money on it then it doesn’t survive pure and simple. On a rare occasion a show might survive if it’s critically acclaimed or wins lots of Emmy’s but even that only goes so far Syndication counts too. Just had Elementary, which has always skewed low on ratings, get renewed for season seven off of what CBS gets from syndication fees so that's interesting. Thought for sure it'd be done after this season. Is Elementary produced by CBS tho? Because if the production is in house, networks are more likely to give it more leeway so it can hit syndication as they reap the benefits. But a show like Brooklyn Nine Nine, which aired on Fox but was owned and produced by NBCUniversal, isn’t as likely to get that leeway because Fox wouldn’t get much (or any I’m not 100% on how syndication money works) of the syndication money. Shit, at this point in time B99 must have hit the magic 100 episodes for syndication (I know it’s changed to a lower amount for syndication packages now but can’t remember the number) and I feel that’s a show that would do well in syndication so it’s not surprising NBC wants to keep it going
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 13, 2018 8:46:27 GMT -5
Cable television is dying a slow and undignified death. Eventually everything will be streaming. Not necessarily, there's the death of Net Neutrality. That is going to have a massive impact on television and streaming. I can see your point but i see that as more of a speed bump than a legitimate permanent impediment. history has borne out the idea that you impede tech progress but not really stop it so I'd be really cautious to side with that viewpoint.
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Post by Jiren on May 13, 2018 9:19:35 GMT -5
Syndication counts too. Just had Elementary, which has always skewed low on ratings, get renewed for season seven off of what CBS gets from syndication fees so that's interesting. Thought for sure it'd be done after this season. Is Elementary produced by CBS tho? Because if the production is in house, networks are more likely to give it more leeway so it can hit syndication as they reap the benefits. But a show like Brooklyn Nine Nine, which aired on Fox but was owned and produced by NBCUniversal, isn’t as likely to get that leeway because Fox wouldn’t get much (or any I’m not 100% on how syndication money works) of the syndication money. Shit, at this point in time B99 must have hit the magic 100 episodes for syndication (I know it’s changed to a lower amount for syndication packages now but can’t remember the number) and I feel that’s a show that would do well in syndication so it’s not surprising NBC wants to keep it going Once this season finished it'll be over 100
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Post by Dragonfly on May 13, 2018 9:50:12 GMT -5
Shit, at this point in time B99 must have hit the magic 100 episodes for syndication (I know it’s changed to a lower amount for syndication packages now but can’t remember the number) and I feel that’s a show that would do well in syndication so it’s not surprising NBC wants to keep it going The new magic number is 88. And B99 is already in syndication... On TBS. They hold exclusive rights.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 13, 2018 10:23:54 GMT -5
Shit, at this point in time B99 must have hit the magic 100 episodes for syndication (I know it’s changed to a lower amount for syndication packages now but can’t remember the number) and I feel that’s a show that would do well in syndication so it’s not surprising NBC wants to keep it going The new magic number is 88. And B99 is already in syndication... On TBS. They hold exclusive rights. yeah, I was going to say it is already in Syndication.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 13, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -5
You're gonna see the big streaming services and networks merge eventually. Something like NBC and Netflix etc. ABC and whatever Disney comes out with being the most obvious one
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Post by mrtuesday on May 13, 2018 10:42:17 GMT -5
Yea..can't really buy them as dastardly for wanting ratings even if a show is mad popular 'n shit, yo. And I 100% get that. But it's also frustrating to lose a show I like that I know has a following because we don't watch it the way they want us to. Especially if that way is legal. If you're torrenting a show, you're not supporting it.
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Post by ayumidah on May 13, 2018 11:43:09 GMT -5
Syndication counts too. Just had Elementary, which has always skewed low on ratings, get renewed for season seven off of what CBS gets from syndication fees so that's interesting. Thought for sure it'd be done after this season. Is Elementary produced by CBS tho? Because if the production is in house, networks are more likely to give it more leeway so it can hit syndication as they reap the benefits. But a show like Brooklyn Nine Nine, which aired on Fox but was owned and produced by NBCUniversal, isn’t as likely to get that leeway because Fox wouldn’t get much (or any I’m not 100% on how syndication money works) of the syndication money. Shit, at this point in time B99 must have hit the magic 100 episodes for syndication (I know it’s changed to a lower amount for syndication packages now but can’t remember the number) and I feel that’s a show that would do well in syndication so it’s not surprising NBC wants to keep it going Yeah, CBS produces it. So that makes sense that NBC would make moves to save B99 if they thought it'd bring in some good money from syndication rights.
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Post by willywonka666 on May 13, 2018 11:44:12 GMT -5
What bothers me is in today's world it's like there's a culture of complaining til you get your way. People have bemoaned show cancellations before and then there's a spike in interest and then ratings go down again. I'm just not wild about the complain campaign
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 13, 2018 12:24:45 GMT -5
Because the way they judge now is pretty much obsolete. Case in point with Brooklyn Nine-Nine. The show got low ratings because less and less people are watching live TV for a myriad of reasons especially of B99's core demographic. (I think the only things I watch live are Raw and sports) So Fox cancels it and and all it's fans are like 'WTF do you mean nobody's watching it? We ALL watch it' but because we watch on Hulu or Netflix...we seem not to count. That already happens, CW shows get barebones tv ratings but are popular on Netflix and the studio's make their profit that way as Netflix pays a lot more for CW shows then their tv ratings indicate they should. The perfect example of this is Supernatural which would be a 1 season wonder on Fox,CBS or NBC but is consistently one of Netflix's most streamed shows so they pay big money for it, and that's why the show will be going onto until it's star age into wanting to spend more time at bingo halls and playing shuffleboard.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 13, 2018 12:57:12 GMT -5
And I 100% get that. But it's also frustrating to lose a show I like that I know has a following because we don't watch it the way they want us to. Especially if that way is legal. If you're torrenting a show, you're not supporting it. Well yeah... did you miss the "it's LEGAL" part of the quote. Torrenting is not legal.
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Post by Shai on May 13, 2018 14:06:55 GMT -5
And I 100% get that. But it's also frustrating to lose a show I like that I know has a following because we don't watch it the way they want us to. Especially if that way is legal. If you're torrenting a show, you're not supporting it. I watch it on Hulu. Which I pay for so it should count. I don't torrent.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on May 13, 2018 14:42:04 GMT -5
I disagree with the idea that torrenting isn't supportive of a show. In the short-term, yes, I'm not playing by the rules of advertising to which TV networks are beholden. And yet I've downloaded TV shows, but also movies, books, and music, and if I especially liked them, I'd go out of my way to buy the item in question (buy a Blu-Ray set, buy a season pass, buy a streaming subscription, etc.). In some cases, I didn't download the entirety of a show outright, but enough of it to give me a flavour of what that show was about, and then decided to part ways with my money. Downloading is often a great way to sample something, which can, in turn, lead people to financially support their entertainment. Yes, there will always be free-loaders who won't ever pay, but that doesn't mean that torrenting can and should be dismissed out of hand.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 13, 2018 14:43:45 GMT -5
Hulu has commercials though that you can't skip, you'd think the show's network would get a piece of that.
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