Will Networks change how they judge a show's popularity?

[Shai]

Because the way they judge now is pretty much obsolete. Case in point with Brooklyn Nine-Nine. The show got low ratings because less and less people are watching live TV for a myriad of reasons especially of B99's core demographic.

(I think the only things I watch live are Raw and sports)

So Fox cancels it and and all it's fans are like 'WTF do you mean nobody's watching it? We ALL watch it' but because we watch on Hulu or Netflix...we seem not to count.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Cable television is dying a slow and undignified death. Eventually everything will be streaming.

[Sparkybob]

Networks just want shows that make them money.

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Networks don’t give a shit what’s popular on Netflix, or what trends on Twitter or what’s most popular on Reddit. They give a shit about ad revenue. That’s why tv even exists, as a means to sell ads. If a show is popular, but the network isn’t making money on it then it doesn’t survive pure and simple.

On a rare occasion a show might survive if it’s critically acclaimed or wins lots of Emmy’s but even that only goes so far

[Fade]

Yea..can't really buy them as dastardly for wanting ratings even if a show is mad popular 'n shit, yo.

[Malcolm]

Can't they try to make money on merchandise from the shows?

[Error]

I think it will depend more on who is allowed to sell the streaming rights. I believe Universal has the rights for B99 since they produce it meaning Fox didn't get much if any from it. That won't be an issue with Universal owned NBC.

[A Platypus Rave]

They will have to eventually.

TV's old model is dying and the networks are in a panic trying to figure out how to keep themselves relevant.

the general target audience for the most part is no longer watching Television.

They are watching netflix, or hulu, or in the even rarer case streaming from the network's website proper.

We are in the transition period of them trying to figure out how to capitalize, some that haven't put ANY plans into motion might be screwed.

[Shai]

May 12, 2018 12:37:02 GMT -5 Fade said:

Yea..can't really buy them as dastardly for wanting ratings even if a show is mad popular 'n shit, yo.

And I 100% get that. But it's also frustrating to lose a show I like that I know has a following because we don't watch it the way they want us to. Especially if that way is legal.

[wildojinx]

Werent networks going to have DVR recordings count toward ratings?

[Fade]

May 12, 2018 13:02:49 GMT -5 Shai said:

May 12, 2018 12:37:02 GMT -5 Fade said:

Yea..can't really buy them as dastardly for wanting ratings even if a show is mad popular 'n shit, yo.

And I 100% get that. But it's also frustrating to lose a show I like that I know has a following because we don't watch it the way they want us to. Especially if that way is legal.

Yea, as others have said, it's in part to Cable dying and streaming becoming the norm. Definite growing (dying?) pains.

[the2ndevil]

It’s needed a change for a good 10 years or so.

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

May 12, 2018 14:21:10 GMT -5 wildojinx said:

Werent networks going to have DVR recordings count toward ratings?

They do track them, but they don’t count the same as live viewing because you can fast forward commercials. That’s why live sports are going at such a premium, because they’re considered “DVR proof”

[Cranjis McBasketball]

They shouldn’t. Watching what amounts to reruns doesn’t count as supporting a show. Fox canceled B99 because no one was watching, then everyone came out of the woodwork talking about being a fan and Netflix this and Hulu that. That doesn’t do Fox any good. They had a low rated show clogging up precious airtime. So they axed it.

If you want to support it, watch it first run on the network it airs.

[Shai]

May 12, 2018 17:24:42 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

They shouldn’t. Watching what amounts to reruns doesn’t count as supporting a show. Fox canceled B99 because no one was watching, then everyone came out of the woodwork talking about being a fan and Netflix this and Hulu that. That doesn’t do Fox any good. They had a low rated show clogging up precious airtime. So they axed it.

If you want to support it, watch it first run on the network it airs.

So too bad so sad for everyone who can't afford the literal hundreds of dollars cable and satellite cost. Especially when a show's demographic is 18-35? If the networks wanna make money they'll adapt. I think I know maybe 1 person in my life that has cable.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

May 12, 2018 18:20:37 GMT -5 Shai said:

May 12, 2018 17:24:42 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

They shouldn’t. Watching what amounts to reruns doesn’t count as supporting a show. Fox canceled B99 because no one was watching, then everyone came out of the woodwork talking about being a fan and Netflix this and Hulu that. That doesn’t do Fox any good. They had a low rated show clogging up precious airtime. So they axed it.

If you want to support it, watch it first run on the network it airs.

So too bad so sad for everyone who can't afford the literal hundreds of dollars cable and satellite cost. Especially when a show's demographic is 18-35? If the networks wanna make money they'll adapt. I think I know maybe 1 person in my life that has cable.

Yup. Pretty much. What does Fox care you watch it on Netflix? They don’t get any money for that. If Netflix wanted, they’re free to pick up the show. You know networks make their money on commercials, right? Not that you watch on a platform they can’t monetize?

[wildojinx]

I prefer to watch shows "live" on tv, but thats just so I can instantly talk about it and speculate online. That's just me though.

[A Platypus Rave]

May 12, 2018 18:24:46 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

May 12, 2018 18:20:37 GMT -5 Shai said:

So too bad so sad for everyone who can't afford the literal hundreds of dollars cable and satellite cost. Especially when a show's demographic is 18-35? If the networks wanna make money they'll adapt. I think I know maybe 1 person in my life that has cable.

Yup. Pretty much. What does Fox care you watch it on Netflix? They don’t get any money for that. If Netflix wanted, they’re free to pick up the show. You know networks make their money on commercials, right? Not that you watch on a platform they can’t monetize?

They're going to have to.

The majority of the general audience that advertisers want are moving away from live television.

The networks aren't going to get money if they stubbornly stick to the old rules as if they still fit.

[prettynami]

You can get a digital receiver and get Fox over the air (So essentially for free after paying for the antenna, and assuming the reception in your area isn't pure poop), you don't have to own cable or satelitte. At least last I checked. In fact in my area that had to run a program where they people the digital antenna for free.

And on top of that, don't look now but Netflix, despite their growing base, is having a hard time actually making money (IE profit) last I checked. The cost of producing their own shows, many of which aren't very good, is proving to be quite a hurdle as is their general operating costs and with other companies, including other content producers, going into streaming as well the rights costs for non-netflix originals will probably become unsustainable at their current price point. And that doesn't say much about the future prospects of companies that offer a very limited amount of stuff on their pay streaming service, like CBS, as the market becomes saturated. My point being is, that in the not too distant future, streaming might not be that much cheaper than other services (Granted, companies like comcast could probably afford to drop their prices and meet the streaming providers somewhere in the middle).

I have no idea what future TV models hold, so who knows what it will end up settling to look like - assuming some other radical way of viewing doesn't come along that completely changes the landscape again before this all settles. I personally think there has to be a little bit of shrinkage concerning the amount of new shows/creators so that what remains of the viewer base is actually large enough to fund the projects the core companies do make, and sadly that means some of the more obscure fun stuff might never see the light of day, production wise, before they cease to exist.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

May 12, 2018 19:47:27 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

May 12, 2018 18:24:46 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Yup. Pretty much. What does Fox care you watch it on Netflix? They don’t get any money for that. If Netflix wanted, they’re free to pick up the show. You know networks make their money on commercials, right? Not that you watch on a platform they can’t monetize?

They're going to have to.

The majority of the general audience that advertisers want are moving away from live television.

The networks aren't going to get money if they stubbornly stick to the old rules as if they still fit.

Then they’ll move everything to their own streaming services and leave Netflix and Hulu to make their own original programming. And you’ll be paying $10 to every network for a show you want.