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Post by Joe Neglia on May 23, 2018 14:30:47 GMT -5
This just came up in another thread but I felt it deserves its own since this has been a long-standing misconception that I've heard over and over since the 90s. It is often stated that the babyface Doink that replaced Matt Borne was aka Vince Apollo and or Phil Apollo. This is *not* the case. Ray Licameli (also known as Ray Apollo) was WWF's Doink after Borne left. The only "Apollo" name he used was Ray. If you ever want to see Ray without his Doink make-up, you can find him in a WCW match, as Sgt. Krueger teaming with Col. DeKlerk (aka Ted Petty/Rocco Rock) in one of those 90s PPV tag tourneys they did. (And funny enough, Krueger is often misattributed to being Matt Borne, even though they look nothing alike): Phil Pantos (aka Vince Apollo/Phil Apollo) is a completely separate guy who has long been confused as Ray because of the Apollo surname. Vince/Phil is mostly known for his World Class stint and some WWF jobber work. This is Phil:
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 23, 2018 14:37:12 GMT -5
Neither to be confused with this guy.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 23, 2018 14:39:48 GMT -5
(And funny enough, Krueger is often misattributed to being Matt Borne, even though they look nothing alike) I think Borne was only ever confused with Sgt. Krueger because the latter ended up replacing him as Doink. I don't think anyone ever confused the two prior to Ray becoming the second full-time Doink.
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Post by auph10imitated on May 24, 2018 10:31:09 GMT -5
To be honest, id never heard this. I always knew it was Ray Apollo.
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Post by chronocross on May 24, 2018 10:35:57 GMT -5
I never knew this, I always thought it was the jobber that was on WWF TV.
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Post by RedSmile on May 24, 2018 11:38:49 GMT -5
What's next?! There was only one Ultimate Warrior?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 12:17:08 GMT -5
I was part of that other thread, who mistook Phil for Ray because of the same last name. Sorry.
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Post by Zen411 on May 24, 2018 12:35:45 GMT -5
Why was this guy chosen as doink? Was it another max moon case of "he fit the costume?"
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 24, 2018 12:52:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but I've heard conjecture that Bam Bam Bigelow lobbied for him.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 12:58:37 GMT -5
I was part of that other thread, who mistook Phil for Ray because of the same last name. Sorry. And I'm the dude that made the assumption, so...mea culpa.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2018 15:28:00 GMT -5
I was part of that other thread, who mistook Phil for Ray because of the same last name. Sorry. Oh, dude, nothing to be sorry about at all. The Ray/Vince/Phil Apollo confusion has been going on for literal decades (it was really bad around the turn of the millennium) and I just saw a neat opportunity to use that thread to kickstart another. No worries at all, my friend.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2018 15:29:03 GMT -5
I was part of that other thread, who mistook Phil for Ray because of the same last name. Sorry. And I'm the dude that made the assumption, so...mea culpa. Okay, now y'all making me feel bad. LOL. It's all good, bro - just used that jumpstart this thread is all, no worries man.
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