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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 9:13:05 GMT -5
Well that didn't take long.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 9:33:22 GMT -5
Once again, Vince and Hunter don't want their piece of pie. They want the whole damn bakery. Wonder how long it'll take them to kill this deal for MLW.
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Post by markymark on May 24, 2018 9:37:21 GMT -5
It feels like the 80s again with Vince raiding the whole territories...
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 9:38:31 GMT -5
It feels like the 80s again with Vince raiding the whole territories... Just remember, WWE cutting the legs out from under promotions like this is....good. It's good for the business....somehow.
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Post by 111111 on May 24, 2018 9:38:33 GMT -5
The whole reason they're doing the UK stuff is to to try and damage world of sport which makes sense business wise as being on ITV in the UK is the equvilant of being on Fox in the US whilst WWE is on a subscription sports channel.
But trying to damage MLW who are on a nothing TV channel most people probably don't even know they have is just ridicolous
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 24, 2018 9:43:42 GMT -5
What's the point? You already have like 700 people under contract and you still don't know what to do with them creatively, why try to sign more??? To cripple the indies? Petty.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 9:46:50 GMT -5
What's the point? You already have like 700 people under contract and you still don't know what to do with them creatively, why try to sign more??? To cripple the indies? Petty. Same reason they turned the British Indies and EVOLVE into low-key developmental territories. It's about being a monopoly, pure and simple.
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Post by Bungle on May 24, 2018 10:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 24, 2018 10:13:54 GMT -5
All of them? No. But there's quite a few people on there who are pretty major names on the indies right now and would have come up on WWE's radar one way or another. It's the standout names on the roster they would be trying to poach not the undercard guys, and the idea of them tyring to nab a dude like Shane Strickland doesn't exactly sound unreasonable.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 10:15:05 GMT -5
Even if they can't get certain guys yet as the article states they wanna atleast put it in guys heads by making he promises to ensure they do not resign anywhere.
And I know that they cannot sign Penta and Fenix anytime soon but I damn sure know HHH is selling his left nut and first born for them ...as a LU stallwart I hope MGM shells out the huge money to keep them because they have way more than enough to outbid WWE.
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Post by sportatorium on May 24, 2018 10:15:47 GMT -5
Are the MLW wrestlers exclusive to that promotion? Or is it a situation where they work for multiple indies? If the latter, then I have no problem with WWE trying to sign them. If they really are offering exclusive deals with MLW, then WWE should respect those contracts the exact same way they would expect a competitor to respect theirs’ .
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 24, 2018 10:17:47 GMT -5
Even if they can't get certain guys yet as the article states they wanna atleast put it in guys heads by making he promises to ensure they do not resign anywhere. And I know that they cannot sign Penta and Fenix anytime soon but I damn sure know HHH is selling his left nut and first born for them ...as a LU stallwart I hope MGM shells out the huge money to keep them because they have way more than enough to outbid WWE. While I think MGM really needed to let people start to work elsewhere, opening up the means for guys to work with their LU names and do TV is really only going to raise the star value of Penta and Fenix a whole lot more, and once those contracts cycle out I can see them coming in on that major star developmental money that pulled dudes like Joe and Nakamura over.
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Post by Bungle on May 24, 2018 10:18:27 GMT -5
All of them? No. But there's quite a few people on there who are pretty major names on the indies right now and would have come up on WWE's radar one way or another. It's the standout names on the roster they would be trying to poach not the undercard guys, and the idea of them tyring to nab a dude like Shane Strickland doesn't exactly sound unreasonable. Yeah,but those are already highly rated free agents or ex WWE.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 24, 2018 10:20:47 GMT -5
Are the MLW wrestlers exclusive to that promotion? Or is it a situation where they work for multiple indies? If the latter, then I have no problem with WWE trying to sign them. If they really are offering exclusive deals with MLW, then WWE should respect those contracts the exact same way they would expect a competitor to respect theirs’ . If the contract is committing to (X) dates, then regardless of who else a wrestler works for, cutting that contract short isn't having a contract be respected. WWE doesn't respect anyone's contracts and dances around as many legal loopholes and not-quites as possible to avoid contract tampering lawsuits to try and get people. No indie is giving enough for anyone to be truly "exclusive", but saying "Hey cancel your non-exclusive contract and come sign our totally exclusive contract" is still crap.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 10:22:39 GMT -5
Are the MLW wrestlers exclusive to that promotion? Or is it a situation where they work for multiple indies? If the latter, then I have no problem with WWE trying to sign them. If they really are offering exclusive deals with MLW, then WWE should respect those contracts the exact same way they would expect a competitor to respect theirs’ . IDK what someone like Jimmy Havocs deal is but speaking for the LU guys as I am more aware of their situaton. All of them are still signed to LU just that LU is much more leanient now so their guys can work anywhere and MLW stated in a press release when they signed them they have a working agreement with LU so that is how that working with those guys.
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Post by MiLB Fan on May 24, 2018 10:23:15 GMT -5
WWE be like:
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 24, 2018 10:24:55 GMT -5
All of them? No. But there's quite a few people on there who are pretty major names on the indies right now and would have come up on WWE's radar one way or another. It's the standout names on the roster they would be trying to poach not the undercard guys, and the idea of them tyring to nab a dude like Shane Strickland doesn't exactly sound unreasonable. Yeah,but those are already highly rated free agents or ex WWE. Right, but just because someone is already on WWE's radar doesn't mean they wouldn't be making a stronger move for them or acting earlier just to try and lure them away from a competitor. WWE started making business deals with a few select UK indies and surely there were dudes there who were on WWE's radar, but it was when ITV started trying to roll out World of Sport that WWE clamped down, signed a bunch of people as quickly as they could to limited contracts where they would basically get money from WWE to turn down bookings from any promotion with TV or streaming services outside of a select few. Wanting to squash competition before it could start made them act a lot sooner to make a big territory grab, and this story is just to say that they're doing it again with MLW.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 10:27:13 GMT -5
Yeah,but those are already highly rated free agents or ex WWE. Right, but just because someone is already on WWE's radar doesn't mean they wouldn't be making a stronger move for them or acting earlier just to try and lure them away from a competitor. WWE started making business deals with a few select UK indies and surely there were dudes there who were on WWE's radar, but it was when ITV started trying to roll out World of Sport that WWE clamped down, signed a bunch of people as quickly as they could to limited contracts where they would basically get money from WWE to turn down bookings from any promotion with TV or streaming services outside of a select few. Wanting to squash competition before it could start made them act a lot sooner to make a big territory grab, and this story is just to say that they're doing it again with MLW. By the way, on the British indy tip, it will forever tickle me that the "Punk Rock Pro Wrestling" PROGRESS has a deal in place to funnel guys to the wrestling equivalent of Top 40 radio.
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Post by eJm on May 24, 2018 10:29:46 GMT -5
Are the MLW wrestlers exclusive to that promotion? Or is it a situation where they work for multiple indies? If the latter, then I have no problem with WWE trying to sign them. If they really are offering exclusive deals with MLW, then WWE should respect those contracts the exact same way they would expect a competitor to respect theirs’ . It's a tad more complicated than that and depends on the contract. I mean, the example is in the story, really. Matt Riddle's contract allows him to go to promotions and be on their On Demand services but Riddle can't do MLW because his own contract makes WWN his homebase partially because of their own connections to WWE (I presume, because allegedly the reason he has that is because WWE wants to keep an eye on him) so he can't do TV dates. And with Penta and Rey, their contracts are more television-based with MGM so they can't jump to another company without some kind of post-screening clause, hence why Ricochet couldn't leave in the same way until the time limit passes. It's also probably the reason they can do MLW as well in the same way, for example, a TV actor can take on a film role when filming for said show is complete for the season. It's to keep them from leaving to a better production that can do that, it's good for morale and allows said actor to keep working for that company potentially beyond the end of that show. Since Strickland is also Killshot in Lucha Underground, I presume the case is the same for him with how long the gaps have been between filming of seasons for LU. EDIT: Everyone's said it better and shorter than I have.
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Post by Dub H on May 24, 2018 10:32:57 GMT -5
That is a pretty good hoster.Has two of my all time fav WWE guys and some top notch Indie talent
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