Say if Vince and Fritz did make a deal in 83

[andrew8798]

Vince had his eyes on David, Kerry, and Keven and saw big money in them. Saw if somehow he could have made a deal with Fritz during this period like he wanted. How do you think it would have turned out? I think Kerry would have been even a bigger star

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

The Von Erich tragedies would've happened sooner. Drug addicts in New York, specially in the eighties, are a bad idea.

[dav]

If Vince and Fritz did make a deal in 83.

[corndog]

May 26, 2018 2:49:11 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

The Von Erich tragedies would've happened sooner. Drug addicts in New York, specially in the eighties, are a bad idea.

As bad as WWF was in the 80s, there was no territory worse than World Class when it comes to drugs. Plus it might have helped to get away from Fritz and not be so protected by an entire community.

[cabbageboy]

A lot of the WWF guys had recreational drug problems but it was really the guys hooked on uppers and downers that ended up dying. I don't see this whole Von Erichs in the WWF thing anyway. Look, if you wanted to be a top guy in the WWF you had to rock the mic in the 1980s. None of the Von Erichs (other than Fritz oddly enough) could work a mic to save their lives. David could in a way but came off as more of a dickish heel to me. Kerry and Kevin were both hopeless on the mic. They really were just a Dallas phenomenon. If you watch the Von Erichs in another promotion in the 80s they aren't over or anything. I saw Kerry in some St. Louis stuff and no one cared, and no one in the Mid South audience gave a crap about any of them the times they were on there.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

May 26, 2018 9:49:31 GMT -5 cabbageboy said:

A lot of the WWF guys had recreational drug problems but it was really the guys hooked on uppers and downers that ended up dying. I don't see this whole Von Erichs in the WWF thing anyway. Look, if you wanted to be a top guy in the WWF you had to rock the mic in the 1980s. None of the Von Erichs (other than Fritz oddly enough) could work a mic to save their lives. David could in a way but came off as more of a dickish heel to me. Kerry and Kevin were both hopeless on the mic. They really were just a Dallas phenomenon. If you watch the Von Erichs in another promotion in the 80s they aren't over or anything. I saw Kerry in some St. Louis stuff and no one cared, and no one in the Mid South audience gave a crap about any of them the times they were on there.

Respectfully disagree. David was some kind of magic. I really think he could have been a huge star if JCP could have lured him away from Dallas.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

May 26, 2018 6:25:43 GMT -5 corndog said:

May 26, 2018 2:49:11 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

The Von Erich tragedies would've happened sooner. Drug addicts in New York, specially in the eighties, are a bad idea.

As bad as WWF was in the 80s, there was no territory worse than World Class when it comes to drugs. Plus it might have helped to get away from Fritz and not be so protected by an entire community.

The damage was already done, Fritz enabled them for years, rumor and innuendo was that they started picking up bad habits since they were teenagers.

[Joe Neglia]

If they had worked further, about the only thing that really would have happened would have been Fritz waking up one morning to find out his entire production staff signed with Vince and took all their tech with them. Outside of Kerry (and Vince would have soured on him just as quickly in the mid-80s as he did later on), that was the only thing Fritz had that Vince wanted. Vince wasn't looking to "partner" with Fritz, he was just trying to get the "good stuff" out of the company that he could use.

[cabbageboy]

Note that I kind of exempted David in that. It's mostly Kevin and Kerry that I felt would probably tank on a national level. David had more mic skills, but if you watch stuff like him humiliating Jimmy Garvin all day at the farm it's a very heelish dick sort of charisma.

[hulksmash87]

Would he have given fritz a big send off show similar to Paul bosche's?