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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:31:32 GMT -5
I need a YouTube video of Scott Steiner listening to this bullshit.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 28, 2018 20:34:39 GMT -5
I need a YouTube video of Scott Steiner listening to this bullshit. I need that gif of Mick Foley destroying his tv
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:36:03 GMT -5
Oh, it's much worse. Mumble rap has a primary interest in melody, catchy repetition and an airy atmosphere. It's vibe-based. Enzo has no focus other than throwing a poorly-performed tantrum. They're still garbage, imo; no better or worse than this Enzo song. Tbh, you can actually break the songs down and prove that Enzo is worse than they are if you look at what makes a hip-hop song a hip-hop song. There's different variables that they do better than Enzo that cannot be denied which hip-hop was started upon such as flow, delivery and etc. That's just Hip-Hop 101.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:37:25 GMT -5
This is no worse than a lot of the rap that's popular on the radio, imo; especially the mumble rap garbage. He's also 15 years too late to capitalize on the Yin Yang Twins. Mickie James disagrees.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 28, 2018 20:45:21 GMT -5
Well at least we can all agree on something, that Enzo's record is best heard on mute
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:48:09 GMT -5
I once listened to a Brokencyde song and I really can't decide if that or Enzo's song is worse.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:49:57 GMT -5
Tbh, you can actually break the songs down and prove that Enzo is worse than they are if you look at what makes a hip-hop song a hip-hop song. There's different variables that they do better than Enzo that cannot be denied which hip-hop was started upon such as flow, delivery and etc. That's just Hip-Hop 101. Except songs, movies, shows, and other art are measured subjectively, based on opinion. So, no, you can't prove his song is any worse than any other song, regardless of your personal feelings. I'm not telling other people they must enjoy this song; I'm simply saying that, imo, it's no worse than a lot of the music that's currently popular on the radio. Actually you can as this isn’t even subjective. On a purely technical level Enzo is a terrible rapper. It’s like if someone sings off-key then they are a technically terrible singer. Now whether someone still likes them is where the subjectivity comes in. For instance no one will ever accuse Bob Dylan of being a gifted vocalist, but he’s such an amazing writer it doesn’t matter as he’s my favorite, while others can’t get past his voice.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 20:50:10 GMT -5
Tbh, you can actually break the songs down and prove that Enzo is worse than they are if you look at what makes a hip-hop song a hip-hop song. There's different variables that they do better than Enzo that cannot be denied which hip-hop was started upon such as flow, delivery and etc. That's just Hip-Hop 101. Except songs, movies, shows, and other art are measured subjectively, based on opinion. So, no, you can't prove his song is any worse than any other song, regardless of your personal feelings. I'm not telling other people they must enjoy this song; I'm simply saying that, imo, it's no worse than a lot of the music that's currently popular on the radio. That's not the problem here, you said it's "no worse than all the other rap on the radio IMO" and that doesn't make sense considering there's different variables and quantities that make songs a "rap/hip-hop" song that you're not looking into. If you go by the variables that hip-hop started upon? From day 1? Enzo's literally doing it worse than they are. It's not even about personal feelings, that's just the foundation of the genre so omitting that doesn't make it a hip-hop/rap song. On a technical level it's easy to see he's worse than them.
Art is art but there's a difference between you saying "it's no worse" and "I think they're all on the same level according to my feelings." It's like me saying "this PS1 game's graphics are no worse than that PS4 game's graphics" when really you can break that down and say "but yeah, we can look at variables here" and prove the PS4's graphics are on a different level. Now compare that with someone saying "I dislike the PS1's graphics the same as the PS4's graphics of these two games." It's two different things. Except songs, movies, shows, and other art are measured subjectively, based on opinion. So, no, you can't prove his song is any worse than any other song, regardless of your personal feelings. I'm not telling other people they must enjoy this song; I'm simply saying that, imo, it's no worse than a lot of the music that's currently popular on the radio. Actually you can as this isn’t even subjective. On a purely technical level Enzo is a terrible rapper. It’s like if someone sings off-key then they are a technically terrible singer. Now whether someone still likes them is where the subjectivity comes in. For instance no one will ever accuse Bob Dylan of being a gifted lyricist, but he’s such an amazing writer it doesn’t matter as he’s my favorite, while others can’t get past his voice. Yep that's it.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 28, 2018 20:53:00 GMT -5
I would rather listen to an extremely terrible deathcore song than this. And it's entirely because of Enzo.
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Post by 67 more on May 28, 2018 20:57:16 GMT -5
I must be the only person in the world who kind of liked that...
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Post by joeiscool on May 28, 2018 20:58:22 GMT -5
This isn't bad, it's not good. He has kinda awkward rhymes, and the yelling thing isn't for him.
But it's not incredibly dumb,
And it seems like he writes his own lyrics.
He if he takes it serious will get better
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 28, 2018 21:07:48 GMT -5
That's not the problem here, you said it's "no worse than all the other rap on the radio IMO" and that doesn't make sense considering there's different variables and quantities that make songs a "rap/hip-hop" song that you're not looking into. If you go by the variables that hip-hop started upon? From day 1? Enzo's literally doing it worse than they are. It's not even about personal feelings, that's just the foundation of the genre so omitting that doesn't make it a hip-hop/rap song. On a technical level it's easy to see he's worse than them.
Art is art but there's a difference between you saying "it's no worse" and "I think they're all on the same level according to my feelings." It's like me saying "this PS1 game's graphics are no worse than that PS4 game's graphics" when really you can break that down and say "but yeah, we can look at variables here" and prove the PS4's graphics are on a different level. Now compare that with someone saying "I dislike the PS1's graphics the same as the PS4's graphics of these two games." It's two different things. Yep that's it. Subjectivity doesn't work like that, sorry. There is no definitive way to judge art because it's subject to opinions. And opinions vary based on who you ask when you ask. Also, you know it doesn't matter if I have a different opinion than you, right? It isn't necessary for me to agree with your opinion, nor you to agree with mine. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, simply expressing my opinion - that Enzo's song is no worse than a lot of the rap that's popular on the radio right now. Well you have to add things like To me In my opinion To make it subjective. Just saying “everything else is equally awful” is a direct statement that sounds like stating a fact.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 28, 2018 21:09:17 GMT -5
I was really telling myself it couldn’t be that bad and then I pressed play. Wow. Incredibly awful in a way that kinda makes me sad. I did the same thing. Even after reading the 5 pages of comments, I was all, "eh, how bad could it be..."
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Post by Derk! on May 28, 2018 21:09:47 GMT -5
Heard like 3 to 4 seconds, this is about as awful as I expected...
Sounds about on par with a lot of rap these days, though. So best of luck to the guy.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 28, 2018 21:11:34 GMT -5
Well you have to add things like To me In my opinion To make it subjective. Just saying “everything else is equally awful” is a direct statement that sounds like stating a fact. Every post I made in this thread says "imo," or some variation. Oh you’re right, I didn’t catch that. Carry on. :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 21:16:37 GMT -5
That's not the problem here, you said it's "no worse than all the other rap on the radio IMO" and that doesn't make sense considering there's different variables and quantities that make songs a "rap/hip-hop" song that you're not looking into. If you go by the variables that hip-hop started upon? From day 1? Enzo's literally doing it worse than they are. It's not even about personal feelings, that's just the foundation of the genre so omitting that doesn't make it a hip-hop/rap song. On a technical level it's easy to see he's worse than them.
Art is art but there's a difference between you saying "it's no worse" and "I think they're all on the same level according to my feelings." It's like me saying "this PS1 game's graphics are no worse than that PS4 game's graphics" when really you can break that down and say "but yeah, we can look at variables here" and prove the PS4's graphics are on a different level. Now compare that with someone saying "I dislike the PS1's graphics the same as the PS4's graphics of these two games." It's two different things. Yep that's it. Subjectivity doesn't work like that, sorry. There is no definitive way to judge art because it's subject to opinions. And opinions vary based on who you ask when you ask. Also, you know it doesn't matter if I have a different opinion than you, right? It isn't necessary for me to agree with your opinion, nor you to agree with mine. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, simply expressing my opinion - that Enzo's song is no worse than a lot of the rap that's popular on the radio right now. Can you explain to us how that PS1's games graphics are no worse than that PS4 games? Considering "art is art?" You keep thinking it's about a difference of opinion when really it's not like that. If I said "Jinder Mahal is a better wrestler than AJ Styles" do you honestly think that people can't explain exactly why he's not better than AJ in the ring? That's the point of this. It doesn't matter if people have difference of opinion, if anything you thinking it's about that is a copout or you're trying to go against it considering you're not looking into how this genre was founded. If I made that Jinder comment people have the right to respond to me.
Just straight up say you're not looking into "what makes a hip-hop/rap track a hip-hop/rap track", that you're not looking "into how hip-hop/rap was founded" and you're "not looking into the technical aspects" and there'd be no problem.
Well you have to add things like To me In my opinion To make it subjective. Just saying “everything else is equally awful” is a direct statement that sounds like stating a fact. Every post I made in this thread says "imo," or some variation. You're missing the point of why we're responding to you.
What you need to do explain why you think it's worse in your opinion because we can literally explain why 1. From a technical level? Enzo is doing it worse than them.
2. From a "hip-hop and rap origin, from when the genre was created" Enzo is doing it worse than them.
3. From a pure musical standpoint (which relates to being able to hear what the artist is saying, to how their voice meshes with the instrumental) we can explain how Enzo is doing it worse than them.
4. From a pure audio standpoint (which relates to the track's mixing and mastering and how clear/muffed the track is compared to the others) we can explain how Enzo's doing it worse than them.
That's not what you're doing. We've brought up each of these and you think you saying that without any clarification makes sense. The reality is, we can say "nah, you're false here and here's why" and you can't say anything against that considering, again, it's your opinion. On that same token, it's our opinion and we have more sources backing our points up especially when you look at this genre's foundations. If we respond to it with our points you can't act as though we're the ones in the wrong here as you are now.
You can say "art is art and it's subjective" all you want but we're actually explaining our comments rather than having blanket statements. You can disagree all you want but that won't change anything.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 21:27:34 GMT -5
if Enzo comes back (and I still don't ever see it happening), the fat dude from the music video should be his Ralphus
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Post by Larryhausen on May 28, 2018 21:30:08 GMT -5
This thread just enforces the fact that chazraps is one of my absolute favorite posters on this entire board.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2018 21:33:49 GMT -5
There is an objective standard to judge a piece of music purely on a technical level. Something can be absolute garbage from a technical standpoint but you can still like it as a piece of art. On the flip side, you can personally dislike something that is genius on a technical level.
Subjectively, I think the song is shit. And it also fails by objective metrics, too.
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Post by chazraps on May 28, 2018 21:44:03 GMT -5
Tbh, you can actually break the songs down and prove that Enzo is worse than they are if you look at what makes a hip-hop song a hip-hop song. There's different variables that they do better than Enzo that cannot be denied which hip-hop was started upon such as flow, delivery and etc. That's just Hip-Hop 101. Except songs, movies, shows, and other art are measured subjectively, based on opinion. So, no, you can't prove his song is any worse than any other song, regardless of your personal feelings. I'm not telling other people they must enjoy this song; I'm simply saying that, imo, it's no worse than a lot of the music that's currently popular on the radio. But we're not talking opinion here, we're talking objective craftsmanship in terms of structuring something for a proper intended audio release.
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