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Post by ChitownKnight on May 30, 2018 11:13:22 GMT -5
Can someone do a picture with Lebron and Steph curry every year getting closer together like the Sheamus/del rio memes?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 30, 2018 11:16:45 GMT -5
What's a rivalry even less liked than LeBron and a bunch of others vs. the Golden State John Cenas?
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Post by Unocal 76 on May 30, 2018 20:20:12 GMT -5
No, because at least with Sheamus/Del Rio, there were other matches on the card.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 31, 2018 11:12:47 GMT -5
This would be like if WWE did Lesnar/Reigns at 4 straight WMs.
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Post by fw91 on May 31, 2018 19:52:44 GMT -5
This would be like if WWE did Lesnar/Reigns at 4 straight WMs. theres still time |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 19:57:41 GMT -5
I’ve given up on the NBA. That’s the entirety of the Big 4 American sports down for me. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 0:15:32 GMT -5
It’s amazing that in the US, the sports with the most parity are the least popular (MLB, NHL). More people will watch Cavs/GS than they would have Houston/Boston. Mainstream fans want to see iconic superstars. LeBron will go down as one of the biggest stars in sports history and unfortunately the NBA is built around not having any parity due to being such a superstar driven league.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 1, 2018 11:56:32 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Rockets/Celtics has some history behind it. I mean it was 1986 but that series did a 14.1, which was better than the previous 2 Lakers/Celtics series. Of course Boston's problem drawing in the Finals is that they have no Kyrie so there really is no particular main star to draw.
I got into it with someone on another thread but I still say MLB is easily the #2 sport in the USA. The NFL did about 14 billion in revenue last year while MLB did 10 billion. The NBA did 7.4 billion, so it's pretty far behind those two. There really aren't any tangible numbers that would indicate the NBA is ahead of MLB, other than sometimes the Finals beat the World Series in ratings depending on the match up.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jun 1, 2018 17:21:49 GMT -5
This would be like if WWE did Lesnar/Reigns at 4 straight WMs. Haha they’ve tried |
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 1, 2018 17:41:17 GMT -5
No, because at least with Sheamus/Del Rio, there were other matches on the card. Warriors-Cavs has more talent involved, too. |
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Post by sfvega on Jun 1, 2018 18:28:21 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Rockets/Celtics has some history behind it. I mean it was 1986 but that series did a 14.1, which was better than the previous 2 Lakers/Celtics series. Of course Boston's problem drawing in the Finals is that they have no Kyrie so there really is no particular main star to draw. I got into it with someone on another thread but I still say MLB is easily the #2 sport in the USA. The NFL did about 14 billion in revenue last year while MLB did 10 billion. The NBA did 7.4 billion, so it's pretty far behind those two. There really aren't any tangible numbers that would indicate the NBA is ahead of MLB, other than sometimes the Finals beat the World Series in ratings depending on the match up. The average nationally televised basketball game beats the average nationally televised baseball game. The sponsorship and individual endorsement money alone suggests that the NBA gets more eyes on it. The MLB has the benefit of running 162 or up to 181 games a year, and you're comparing the revenue to a sport that runs half as many games or in the NFL's case 1/9th as many games. It's kind of like saying that a nightly show is bigger than a weekly show like Raw because it gets bigger gross ratings weekly, turning a blind eye to the role that quantity plays. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 2, 2018 9:46:00 GMT -5
In that case it's obvious that the average nationally televised NBA game would win, but the same scarcity argument comes into play. It's not like there are crap national TV NBA games for the most part. It's usually the Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, various contenders. MLB has become more of a regionally televised sport with some national games, and yes, 1 random game out of 162 isn't really going to move the needle compared to 1 out of 82. Either way my point was that MLB is still easily the #1 revenue generating sport out there, and at the end of the day the money is what matters.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 2, 2018 12:59:35 GMT -5
Pure revenue is irrelevant on its own. You have to look at the bigger picture from a business standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if baseball generated more net income and profits than the NBA, but it's a lot closer than it used to be because the NBA is showing significant growth while MLB is stagnating. And as far as a national spotlight and cultural impact goes, basketball kicks baseball's ass.
But even if we did look at pure revenue, NFL trumps MLB on that front. Heck, your own last post said as much there.
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Post by thetower52 on Jun 3, 2018 18:13:32 GMT -5
We all knew this would be the finals as soon as last years finals ended. It’s hard to give a shit about your team when you know only two teams maybe 4 have a real shot at all.
I haven’t watched a minute of the finals and don’t plan to.
I have gotten a lot more in to hockey and the golden knights
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Post by Kevin Dunn on Jun 3, 2018 18:20:27 GMT -5
I’ve given up on the NBA. That’s the entirety of the Big 4 American sports down for me. lol Theirs always rugby lol |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jun 3, 2018 18:50:10 GMT -5
It’s amazing that in the US, the sports with the most parity are the least popular (MLB, NHL). More people will watch Cavs/GS than they would have Houston/Boston. Mainstream fans want to see iconic superstars. LeBron will go down as one of the biggest stars in sports history and unfortunately the NBA is built around not having any parity due to being such a superstar driven league. MLB/NFL has parity in regards to teams who win the title but that has more to do with the fluky nature of their playoffs. With the NBA it's 1 guy out of 5 in the game who can effect the outcome on both ends in a way a star player can't in the other sport. Tom Brady is sol if he has a bad defense,and the best MLB Pitcher could have the greatest season ever with a sub 1.00 era but it wouldn't matter if the rest of the pitching staff was junk. |
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Post by sfvega on Jun 3, 2018 19:53:07 GMT -5
In that case it's obvious that the average nationally televised NBA game would win, but the same scarcity argument comes into play. It's not like there are crap national TV NBA games for the most part. It's usually the Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, various contenders. MLB has become more of a regionally televised sport with some national games, and yes, 1 random game out of 162 isn't really going to move the needle compared to 1 out of 82. Either way my point was that MLB is still easily the #1 revenue generating sport out there, and at the end of the day the money is what matters. That is how it is for every sport. Every sport tries to load up on premier match-ups on nationally televised games. You'll see a dozen Yanks/Sox or Cards/Cubs or Dodgers/Giants game before you'll see one Padres/Diamondbacks game. NBA doesn't beat the MLB in the ratings because they're the only league who loads up national TV games or because they have less games, they beat the MLB because they are the more relevant league in the US. Which is why the NBA makes over a billion dollars a year more off of national TV deals, because it is a bigger deal and easier to sell and grabbing better demos. MLB does better on average per regional market, but I feel like if we're talking about biggest sports in the US, then the nationwide metrics make more sense. And again, the quantity makes the revenue numbers skewed. There really isn't a huge gap between the NFL's ticket revenue and the NHL's ticket revenue, but that's because of the number of games. The MLB also has a lower average ticket cost by about 1/3 of what an NFL game costs and about 1/2 of what an NHL or NBA game costs. Which again, points to the demand being low but the opportunity being high. You have 8 home opportunities to see your local NFL team, versus 81 to see the MLB team at 1/3rd the cost. The premium placed on NFL games clearly demonstrates a demand for the product that is unparalleled in US sports. Which also says the inverse for MLB games. |
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Post by Cyno on Jun 4, 2018 0:29:14 GMT -5
The other thing is that basketball is far more marketable in its stars. The likes of Lebron, Shaq, Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. aren't just at the top of their game, but became larger than life figures in pop culture, too. Who was the last baseball player to achieve that? A-Rod? Baseball's biggest stars today don't even come close to that same level as fame as basketball's. Mike Trout is an incredible player and arguably the best one today, but I doubt anyone outside of dedicated baseball fans could recognize him. Same goes for Bryce Harper or Aaron Judge. I'm sure it's in part to the steroid scandals tainting the late 90's/early 00's, the last time baseball really felt like the national pastime, and overall national fandom not really recovering since.
Not to mention that baseball's biggest audience right now skews a lot older than basketball's. Baseball's outreach to young people to take interest in the sport as fans or potential players has been awful in the last couple of decades, especially in black communities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 6:54:14 GMT -5
It's more like John Cena vs. Randy Orton.
You really can't deny they're the top two in their profession.
Sheamus vs. Del Rio seemed like such a placeholder feud. It'd be like the Toronto Raptors vs. Oklahoma City. Yeah, these two may be battling over a title, but you're just not invested in it.
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