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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 9, 2019 20:24:26 GMT -5
I love the gimmick, especially as they lean harder into being comedy heels as opposed to just being mean heels. That said, their wrestling ability has really stagnated for some reason. Billie Kay especially has regressed in the ring more than anyone I’ve seen come through the Performance Center system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 20:46:10 GMT -5
Sasha would be a heel. She’s not supposed to be right. That's just lazy writing. Someone being evil isn't an excuse for them to be stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 21:05:15 GMT -5
Sasha would be a heel. She’s not supposed to be right. That's just lazy writing. Someone being evil isn't an excuse for them to be stupid. Ambrose did something similar with Rollins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 21:30:05 GMT -5
That's just lazy writing. Someone being evil isn't an excuse for them to be stupid. Ambrose did something similar with Rollins. I mean... Yeah? And the tag title scene looked absolutely pathetic while past the cheap heat of the timing the turn's been a total flop. Plus at least Dean had room to get something out of that because Seth had the Intercontinental title, Bayley has nothing.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 9, 2019 21:48:03 GMT -5
I love them.
They're so over the top and ridiculous. LayCool were blantant Beautiful People knock-offs, and poor ones at that. (Props to Layla, but McCool has the personality of toast)
They're supposed to be obnoxious and awful. Pretty sure Billie's makeup is on purpose. When she's not "in character" she looks fantastic.
They're supposed to be delusional vapid heels who aren't as good as they think they are.
From their "impressions" that all sound alike (again on purpose) to their "ICONIC!" pose with the shirts, it's all done tongue in cheek. It's supposed to be ridiculous.
And I buy them as a duo more than anyone else, because 1. they act like girlfriendsm and work naturally together, and 2. they weren't besties growing up, but they have an actual bond having come from Australia to WWE toether. It shows and it helps me buy into their gimmick more. They're not just two ladies thrown together, and the way they play off of each other shows that.
They're awesome, and I would love if they won the tag titles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 22:00:56 GMT -5
I love them. They're so over the top and ridiculous. LayCool was blantant Beautiful People knock-offs, and poor ones at that. (Props to Layla, but McCool has the personality of toast) They're supposed to be obnoxious and awful. Pretty sure Billie's makeup is on purpose. When she's not "in character" she looks fantastic. They're supposed to be delusional vapid heels who aren't as good as they think they are. From their "impressions" that all sound alike (again on purpose) to their "ICONIC!" pose with the shirts, it's all done tongue in cheek. It's supposed to be ridiculous. And I buy them as a duo more than anyone else, because 1. they act like girlfriendsm and work naturally together, and 2. they weren't besties growing up, but they have an actual bond having come from Australia to WWE toether. It shows and it helps me buy into their gimmick more. They're not just two ladies thrown together, and the way they play off of each other shows that. They're awesome, and I would love if they won the tag titles. It's hilarious that they didn't like each other at first because they both wanted to be the only girl who liked wrestling at their school.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 22:03:52 GMT -5
I love them. They're so over the top and ridiculous. LayCool was blantant Beautiful People knock-offs, and poor ones at that. (Props to Layla, but McCool has the personality of toast) Laycool had dick all to do with the Beautiful People. Like, other than being mean to other girls, they had virtually nothing in common. If they started wrestling in basically lingerie and heavily implying they were sleeping around to get heat, I'd think that held any weight, but eh, I never saw it. The only thing McCool took from TNA is the main eventer's finishers.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 9, 2019 22:09:29 GMT -5
I love them. They're so over the top and ridiculous. LayCool was blantant Beautiful People knock-offs, and poor ones at that. (Props to Layla, but McCool has the personality of toast) They're supposed to be obnoxious and awful. Pretty sure Billie's makeup is on purpose. When she's not "in character" she looks fantastic. They're supposed to be delusional vapid heels who aren't as good as they think they are. From their "impressions" that all sound alike (again on purpose) to their "ICONIC!" pose with the shirts, it's all done tongue in cheek. It's supposed to be ridiculous. And I buy them as a duo more than anyone else, because 1. they act like girlfriendsm and work naturally together, and 2. they weren't besties growing up, but they have an actual bond having come from Australia to WWE toether. It shows and it helps me buy into their gimmick more. They're not just two ladies thrown together, and the way they play off of each other shows that. They're awesome, and I would love if they won the tag titles. It's hilarious that they didn't like each other at first because they both wanted to be the only girl who liked wrestling at their school. Yup, and they'd come to school wanting to talk about wrestling, and their friends would get so annoyed, but they still refused to talk with each other
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 9, 2019 22:14:53 GMT -5
Iiconics slander?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 22:24:50 GMT -5
I love the IIconics. They commit to the gimmick to a degree that a lot of wrestlers won’t. I like Peyton more in general (she’s the better wrestler and seems to have more star potential), but Billie Kay is such a complete fool at all times that I’ve really grown to adore her. Watch anything the IIconics are involved with, and she’s out there full-tilt clowning. Even if you watch their social media stuff, it’s always Billie just killing Peyton with her goofiness. If they ever get an actual feud/storyline, those gals are going to shine. They're supposed to be obnoxious and awful. Pretty sure Billie's makeup is on purpose. When she's not "in character" she looks fantastic. They're supposed to be delusional vapid heels who aren't as good as they think they are. Man am I glad someone said this. It’s absolutely maddening how often I see folks on here talking about Billie Kay’s makeup as if the person that does her look is just really bad at makeup. SHE’S SUPPOSED TO LOOK RIDICULOUS. THE IICONICS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOFY. Sure they’re both very attractive girls, but they’re supposed to be girls who think they’re the absolute cream of the crop, but don’t realize they’re dorky f***s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 22:28:30 GMT -5
I kinda want to see how they'd do as faces. Doesn't have to be now, and obviously their lack of self-awareness is a big part of what makes them funny, but Carmella being as good as she is as a face makes me think it'd be worth a shot one day.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 10, 2019 2:38:51 GMT -5
There are several subtle but meaningful ways they separate out from other mean girl pairings, such as them not really being much of a threat to them being able to be goaded into actually getting in the ring and fighting because underneath their posh surface they're actually just hot headed bogans. Beyond that, I don't know if we're all in this thread (mostly likely dominated by 18-35 male demographic) their core audience. I think the people they are wrestling for are girls around 9-16 who want to cheer the heels. I can imagine a couple of young girls thinking it's hilarious to do Billie and Peyton impressions back and forth. I love the gimmick, especially as they lean harder into being comedy heels as opposed to just being mean heels. That said, their wrestling ability has really stagnated for some reason. Billie Kay especially has regressed in the ring more than anyone I’ve seen come through the Performance Center system. On Sheamus's youtube channel he did a workout with them and both Billie and Peyton each stressed that they practiced both a workout regimen that would minimize the chance of injury, and then went on further to stress the number of dates they had to work. I think their regression is both of them running at 50% most of the time with the knowledge that it isn't worth it to go all out and risk injury for anything that isn't a special occasion.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 10, 2019 2:52:38 GMT -5
I love them. They're so over the top and ridiculous. LayCool was blantant Beautiful People knock-offs, and poor ones at that. (Props to Layla, but McCool has the personality of toast) Laycool had dick all to do with the Beautiful People. Like, other than being mean to other girls, they had virtually nothing in common. If they started wrestling in basically lingerie and heavily implying they were sleeping around to get heat, I'd think that held any weight, but eh, I never saw it. The only thing McCool took from TNA is the main eventer's finishers. Dig I kick your dog or something? jeesh. Kidding, I'd never kick a dog. Dogs are awesome. The Beautiful People who debuted officially in 2008, and Laycool who debuted officially in 2009 to me were Vince wanting his own version of the mean girl duo. That's the way I've always seen it.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 10, 2019 4:08:14 GMT -5
There are several subtle but meaningful ways they separate out from other mean girl pairings, such as them not really being much of a threat to them being able to be goaded into actually getting in the ring and fighting because underneath their posh surface they're actually just hot headed bogans. I really enjoyed their presence in the Rumble. Billie very vocally declaring she was waiting for Peyton, then being attacked by Nikki Cross. Then, as you say, being hot headed enough to go charging in to get revenge. And then Peyton comes out to help her and, unlike a lot of heel pairings, actually played it with urgency and wanting to genuinely support her friend. But that awkward double team thing they did, with the terrible looking kick... that's what they need to work on. Also, I watched an UpUpDownDown episode with Zelina Vega yesterday, where she was doing a pretty decent Australian accent and (jokingly) suggested she join them to form Triconic. I'd be down for that.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Feb 10, 2019 5:22:19 GMT -5
I still want them to do what they teased in NXT and become co-champions for the singles belt. I think they’d be great at overly celebrating after cheating to win, especially Billie Kay.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 5:28:32 GMT -5
Laycool had dick all to do with the Beautiful People. Like, other than being mean to other girls, they had virtually nothing in common. If they started wrestling in basically lingerie and heavily implying they were sleeping around to get heat, I'd think that held any weight, but eh, I never saw it. The only thing McCool took from TNA is the main eventer's finishers. Dig I kick your dog or something? jeesh. Kidding, I'd never kick a dog. Dogs are awesome. The Beautiful People who debuted officially in 2008, and Laycool who debuted officially in 2009 to me were Vince wanting his own version of the mean girl duo. That's the way I've always seen it. Nah, I'm not mad or anything, sorry if that read as more aggressive than I intended it. If we're going with timing, though, 2005-2006, they had the whole "Vince's Devils" thing with Torrie, Candice, and Victoria as the mean girls, so eh, it's possible it was some reaction to TBP, but it's not even the first time WWE had done mean girls that decade, much less prior, with PMS in the late 90s.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Feb 10, 2019 5:46:14 GMT -5
I love them. They're the first female comedy wrestlers ever that I genuinely find funny. One of the unsung milestones of the women's evolution in that regard.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 10, 2019 6:34:15 GMT -5
Dig I kick your dog or something? jeesh. Kidding, I'd never kick a dog. Dogs are awesome. The Beautiful People who debuted officially in 2008, and Laycool who debuted officially in 2009 to me were Vince wanting his own version of the mean girl duo. That's the way I've always seen it. Nah, I'm not mad or anything, sorry if that read as more aggressive than I intended it. If we're going with timing, though, 2005-2006, they had the whole "Vince's Devils" thing with Torrie, Candice, and Victoria as the mean girls, so eh, it's possible it was some reaction to TBP, but it's not even the first time WWE had done mean girls that decade, much less prior, with PMS in the late 90s. Oh yeah, totally agree. I'm not saying LayCool were the first of a tired archetype, I'm just saying that they seemed to be WWE's poor half-hearted attempt at The Beautiful People.
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Post by msc on Apr 7, 2019 20:21:45 GMT -5
Great moment.
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