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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 16:17:16 GMT -5
Goddamn the big Celtics plans just collapsed when Kyrie showed up Not really. It was worth the gamble. Isiah was never going to lead them to a ring and for all intents and purposes nothing about Boston changes really They go from championship contender to a good team which is what they were two years ago. They still have assets and now cap space with young talent Not a lot of teams can say they will lose 2 big pieces of their squad and still have pieces to build around and be back in title contention in two years or less
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 19, 2019 16:17:40 GMT -5
For a guy with high upside and considering his young he is, his progress has been at a snail pace I think he’s misdiagnosed as a PG. he should be a Forward but considering who they have, he’s not needed and his ceiling is low But for a low draft pick in a year where they're going for 2 max players? I'd rather have the rotation depth
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Post by Convoy on Jun 19, 2019 16:20:12 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, if Tatum is untouchable (at least when it comes to the AD trade) and Brown is equal to #4, what’s in Ainge’s war chest these days?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 16:23:34 GMT -5
For a guy with high upside and considering his young he is, his progress has been at a snail pace I think he’s misdiagnosed as a PG. he should be a Forward but considering who they have, he’s not needed and his ceiling is low But for a low draft pick in a year where they're going for 2 max players? I'd rather have the rotation depth Frank value drops every year. He was a top 10 pick meaning he makes around $5 mill or a little more. Knicks can flip him for a late round pick that would be valued around $1 million or so. In their eyes, they see value at the bottom since this draft is basically a bunch of players cluttered together after your top 10. Mitch Robinson turned into a rotation player as a 2nd round pick
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Post by Cyno on Jun 19, 2019 16:26:54 GMT -5
The dude they draft for the pick they'd trade for Frank would probably be better than Frank was lol. Frank is not very good.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 19, 2019 16:28:41 GMT -5
Goddamn the big Celtics plans just collapsed when Kyrie showed up It collapsed when Ainge refused to trade his once glorious stack of assets for either Kawhi or AD. He played overplayed his hand and lost.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 16:30:52 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, if Tatum is untouchable (at least when it comes to the AD trade) and Brown is equal to #4, what’s in Ainge’s war chest these days? They have 3 picks this year including their own and they have Memphis pick next year (protected 1-6)
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 19, 2019 16:43:39 GMT -5
Look, I'm never going to agree with trading five players for one.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 16:52:26 GMT -5
Look, I'm never going to agree with trading five players for one. 5 players does not equal value especially when as said in this situation Korver is a salary dump and trade piece, Allen is still a work in progress and the only true value lost was Crowder who you can replace for a player In free agency Memphis got from under that contract and got value in return that wasn’t there when he signed the deal
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Post by Convoy on Jun 19, 2019 17:01:18 GMT -5
The Knicks are reportedly making overtures to AD's people regarding free agency 2020. Not sure how bad they think the Lakers season could go, or why they would think Davis would want to leave for NY after a year.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 19, 2019 17:04:46 GMT -5
The Knicks are reportedly making overtures to AD's people regarding free agency 2020. Not sure how bad they think the Lakers season could go, or why they would think Davis would want to leave for NY after a year. We’ll see how he likes being reduced to LeBron’s sidekick.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 17:16:25 GMT -5
The Knicks are reportedly making overtures to AD's people regarding free agency 2020. Not sure how bad they think the Lakers season could go, or why they would think Davis would want to leave for NY after a year. The choices was down to Lakers and NY for AD according to sources, they are basically doing their due diligence and not being an idiot and trading all their assets for him to walk You never what this next year can hold. AD gets a year to see the pressures of playing with Lebron, trying to win a chip and being his sidekick. If everything goes well he comes back next season but if not Knicks are seeing if he wants to come back so that way they don't blow all their cap this offseason if anything Assuming they sign KD, they still have enough for a max spot. They will sign a bunch of one year contracts and hold that max spot for AD next year if they strikeout on Kyrie
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 19, 2019 17:24:52 GMT -5
But for a low draft pick in a year where they're going for 2 max players? I'd rather have the rotation depth Frank value drops every year. He was a top 10 pick meaning he makes around $5 mill or a little more. Knicks can flip him for a late round pick that would be valued around $1 million or so. In their eyes, they see value at the bottom since this draft is basically a bunch of players cluttered together after your top 10. Mitch Robinson turned into a rotation player as a 2nd round pick I completely forgot how much they still owed him. I think that he's still got some upside, but not for $5 mil
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 17:38:12 GMT -5
Frank value drops every year. He was a top 10 pick meaning he makes around $5 mill or a little more. Knicks can flip him for a late round pick that would be valued around $1 million or so. In their eyes, they see value at the bottom since this draft is basically a bunch of players cluttered together after your top 10. Mitch Robinson turned into a rotation player as a 2nd round pick I completely forgot how much they still owed him. I think that he's still got some upside, but not for $5 mil Every dollar counts. To give an exact amount on Frank, he will make $4,855,800 next season. Why pay him that amount when you can acquire a draft that will cost you $1 mill or less and have the same potential upside as Frank. You can send that draft to the G League to get reps meanwhile doing that with Frank would crush his confidence Every key number got worse for Frank in year 2 and that's not good. I like him and think he can be a Tony Allen type forward in the league but he would have to bulk up and learn to shoot corner 3's. That's not happening with the Knicks and something I don't see happening until he reaches his mid 20's If Tony Parker didn't retire I would have tried to bring him along to help Frank but on a team where they are trying to figure out what young players will be part of the future, you can't waist time hoping Frank actually brings value to the pick he got chosen at. He's behind DSJ and Trier on the depth chart plus an incoming Barrett. You can find someone with the exact tools Frank has later in the draft and have time to work on them as well
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 17:53:51 GMT -5
THunder looking to shed salary
They got Schroder, Adams, Roberson, and Patterson all on the block and is willing to give up the Number 21 draft pick as well
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Post by Convoy on Jun 19, 2019 17:56:41 GMT -5
Not a Suns viewer (not that they're on national TV often) - is Jackson a bust?
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 19, 2019 18:00:52 GMT -5
^^Seems like a bust from the little I’ve seen. Didn’t really grow into a position, tweener SG/SF and plays stupid, both on and off the court. There’s still upside there though. Wouldn’t mind the Kings getting him if the price was right.
Another man I’d love on the Kings, Steven Adams is being shopped. I love his toughness, and the pair of him and Giles would beat people down on the nightly. It would be such a welcome departure from Willie’s soft ass mentality.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 18:14:23 GMT -5
Not a Suns viewer (not that they're on national TV often) - is Jackson a bust? Jackson is a bust so far. He was supposed to come in and at least be a good defender while learning to shoot and become an all around guard. He is basically a lesser Andrew Wiggins which is not good That 2017 draft looking mighty suspect right now in some aspects 1 - Markelle Fultz - Traded to Orlando (Injured) 2 - Lonzo Ball - Traded to Pelicans (Injury prone) 4 - Josh Jackson - On the trade block 7 - Frank Ntilikina - On the trade block 11 - Malik Monk - Can't crack the rotation
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Post by Cyno on Jun 19, 2019 18:26:40 GMT -5
The Knicks are reportedly making overtures to AD's people regarding free agency 2020. Not sure how bad they think the Lakers season could go, or why they would think Davis would want to leave for NY after a year. The choices was down to Lakers and NY for AD according to sources, they are basically doing their due diligence and not being an idiot and trading all their assets for him to walk You never what this next year can hold. AD gets a year to see the pressures of playing with Lebron, trying to win a chip and being his sidekick. If everything goes well he comes back next season but if not Knicks are seeing if he wants to come back so that way they don't blow all their cap this offseason if anything Assuming they sign KD, they still have enough for a max spot. They will sign a bunch of one year contracts and hold that max spot for AD next year if they strikeout on Kyrie I'll give this Knicks front office credit for one thing: they are being as smart as they possibly can in spite of the team being horribly cursed.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 18:42:03 GMT -5
The choices was down to Lakers and NY for AD according to sources, they are basically doing their due diligence and not being an idiot and trading all their assets for him to walk You never what this next year can hold. AD gets a year to see the pressures of playing with Lebron, trying to win a chip and being his sidekick. If everything goes well he comes back next season but if not Knicks are seeing if he wants to come back so that way they don't blow all their cap this offseason if anything Assuming they sign KD, they still have enough for a max spot. They will sign a bunch of one year contracts and hold that max spot for AD next year if they strikeout on Kyrie I'll give this Knicks front office credit for one thing: they are being as smart as they possibly can in spite of the team being horribly cursed. Yea, they know what they want and playing it smart. They said they aren't interested in "B Level" free agents like Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris on multi year deals and they also don't want Kyrie unless he comes with KD Best case scenario is they sign KD, have him sit this whole year, the team has another iffy year and end up with a top 5 pick (next year class is very good) and have a slot for another max free agent with a returning KD as well
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