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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 2, 2018 16:43:56 GMT -5
...He's not wrong. Others have brought it up but the TV show is a huge hinderance if you're trying to get into the product. Yeah, you'll know the angles and such but the show is dull as dishwater most weeks. The production values are STILL ass after being on this TV deal for the better part of a decade. The big shows still deliver but who gives a f*** if no new audiences are interested in watching?
ROH used to be the go-to if you wanted an alternative to main roster WWE but not no more.
NXT. MLW. Lucha Underground. New Japan. Hell, even CMLL and AAA shows are more accessable here in the States than they have been in ages.
ROH ain't hot no more. Point blank, if you are a consumer, there's much better products in the marketplace to spend your time and your money.
EDIT: Now, all that said, ain't ROH doing literally their best business ever rn or something close to that? So, they'll be aight. But yeah, they really AREN'T cool no more. The Young Bucks are cool. New Japan is cool. Cody is cool. ROH? Nah.
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Post by TGM on Jul 2, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5
Can anybody give me a rundown on the current ROH stories? Last I saw Cody was wearing a ring instead of the title and lost it to Dalton.
Will we see some kind of ROH involvement with All In?
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Post by Juice on Jul 2, 2018 22:02:40 GMT -5
We really pretending njpw sold out the cow palace? All in is the exception not the rule
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Post by adamclark52 on Jul 2, 2018 22:05:37 GMT -5
He’s not wrong
I’m a Ring of Honor fan but something’s been really off the last two years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 22:18:50 GMT -5
He’s not wrong I’m a Ring of Honor fan but something’s been really off the last two years I’ve never been a fan of Delirious as a booker and it amazes me he’s kept the job for so long cause his stories usually overstay their welcome and he waits till people have totally cooled off to start pushing them.Roh was a lot of times the place where talented guys had average to below average matches and then had great matches everywhere else that wasn’t Roh |
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Post by Facetious on Jul 2, 2018 22:30:23 GMT -5
Can anybody give me a rundown on the current ROH stories? Last I saw Cody was wearing a ring instead of the title and lost it to Dalton. Will we see some kind of ROH involvement with All In? Jay Lethal is working his way back to the ROH World Championship, more Bullet Club in-fighting, Dalton trying to work through injury to prove he's a worthy champ, Briscoe's are dicks, WOH still floundering, Bully Ray confuses retirement with part time and is bullying young guys, SCU!!!!, Kenny King is trying to prove himself against his former mentor Austin Aries, and the Kingdom are proving to be kings of the underdeveloped Trio division. They're REALLY lacking any hot angles or great feuds. The guys can put on good matches, but without anything behind it, it feels hollow. He’s not wrong I’m a Ring of Honor fan but something’s been really off the last two years I’ve never been a fan of Delirious as a booker and it amazes me he’s kept the job for so long cause his stories usually overstay their welcome and he waits till people have totally cooled off to start pushing them.Roh was a lot of times the place where talented guys had average to below average matches and then had great matches everywhere else that wasn’t Roh Yeah, the Lizard Man has been lackluster. They finally pulled the trigger on O'Reilly at the end of his stint hoping for him to stay (he said nah), Dijak had nothing to work for or show and went to Evolve/PWG and got noticed quick, Keith Lee saw the writing on the wall, bailed, and skyrocketed due to his choice, and there are a few more guys who bailed for the betterment of their careers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 22:44:21 GMT -5
I’ve never been a fan of Delirious as a booker and it amazes me he’s kept the job for so long cause his stories usually overstay their welcome and he waits till people have totally cooled off to start pushing them.Roh was a lot of times the place where talented guys had average to below average matches and then had great matches everywhere else that wasn’t Roh Yeah, the Lizard Man has been lackluster. They finally pulled the trigger on O'Reilly at the end of his stint hoping for him to stay (he said nah), Dijak had nothing to work for or show and went to Evolve/PWG and got noticed quick, Keith Lee saw the writing on the wall, bailed, and skyrocketed due to his choice, and there are a few more guys who bailed for the betterment of their careers. Cedric Alexander,Moose,ACH and Lio Rush immediately come to mind and it’s not that long ago there was a lot of talk coming from the Roh locker room that Delirious was only concerned about pushing his buddies and using his power to get a hot girlfriend and it doesn’t seem like anything’s really changed just a bunch of guys left. |
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Post by Facetious on Jul 2, 2018 22:53:33 GMT -5
Yeah, the Lizard Man has been lackluster. They finally pulled the trigger on O'Reilly at the end of his stint hoping for him to stay (he said nah), Dijak had nothing to work for or show and went to Evolve/PWG and got noticed quick, Keith Lee saw the writing on the wall, bailed, and skyrocketed due to his choice, and there are a few more guys who bailed for the betterment of their careers. Cedric Alexander,Moose,ACH and Lio Rush immediately come to mind and it’s not that long ago there was a lot of talk coming from the Roh locker room that Delirious was only concerned about pushing his buddies and using his power to get a hot girlfriend and it doesn’t seem like anything’s really changed just a bunch of guys left. Man, I was HIGH on Cedric. I honestly thought he could be world title worthy and he spent 5 years spinning his wheels. Even though he's trapped on 205 Live, at least he's being pushed and looks good to boot. ROH couldn't even do that lol |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 2, 2018 22:55:05 GMT -5
To be fair on a couple of those guys they weren't even in the promotion for a year in some cases before bailing...but once you've got that many guys doing the same thing it indicates something is up, again whether that's the "go to other places to get noticed by WWE" reasoning or something to do with ROH itself.
I haven't heard about personal issues from Delirious, though, so I for one can't venture a guess on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 23:01:03 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander,Moose,ACH and Lio Rush immediately come to mind and it’s not that long ago there was a lot of talk coming from the Roh locker room that Delirious was only concerned about pushing his buddies and using his power to get a hot girlfriend and it doesn’t seem like anything’s really changed just a bunch of guys left. Man, I was HIGH on Cedric. I honestly thought he could be world title worthy and he spent 5 years spinning his wheels. Even though he's trapped on 205 Live, at least he's being pushed and looks good to boot. ROH couldn't even do that lol I thought that Roderick Strong feud was the start of something then nothing for a year then they turned him heel put him with Veda Scott and again nothing.Dude has one wwe match in the cwc and he was the talk of the business I know he wrestled Kota but that was still a great performance on his end. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 3, 2018 7:08:33 GMT -5
Man, I was HIGH on Cedric. I honestly thought he could be world title worthy and he spent 5 years spinning his wheels. Even though he's trapped on 205 Live, at least he's being pushed and looks good to boot. ROH couldn't even do that lol I thought that Roderick Strong feud was the start of something then nothing for a year then they turned him heel put him with Veda Scott and again nothing.Dude has one wwe match in the cwc and he was the talk of the business I know he wrestled Kota but that was still a great performance on his end. I don't think people should underestimate that being the talk of the business through something only shown on the Network is still bloody impressive. The Network only has a million subscribers or so, and not every subscriber watches every show. That's not many mouths to spread the word. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 10:03:00 GMT -5
I thought that Roderick Strong feud was the start of something then nothing for a year then they turned him heel put him with Veda Scott and again nothing.Dude has one wwe match in the cwc and he was the talk of the business I know he wrestled Kota but that was still a great performance on his end. I don't think people should underestimate that being the talk of the business through something only shown on the Network is still bloody impressive. The Network only has a million subscribers or so, and not every subscriber watches every show. That's not many mouths to spread the word. It was so smart that wwe immediately after the show went off the air put the off air segment where the crowds going nuts and HHH puts Cedric over it either gets people to watch or if they don’t they atleast think Cedric’s someone special if HHH puts him over and Hunter is a man of the people when he’s not being a heel authority jerk. |
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 4, 2018 5:13:48 GMT -5
ROH could close tomorrow I wouldn't care. He's right about their parent company not giving a care about them. The TV is lame, and only saved by a few good workers, who draw better crowds at an indie show then many of these tapings.
ROH is just a convienant way to stumble on a Being An Elite match on tv, and a far cry from when I couldn't get enough Daniel Bryan, Morishima, or Tyler Black title defenses.
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Post by The Barber on Jul 4, 2018 5:25:16 GMT -5
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 4, 2018 14:59:56 GMT -5
I’ve never been a fan of Delirious as a booker and it amazes me he’s kept the job for so long cause his stories usually overstay their welcome and he waits till people have totally cooled off to start pushing them.Roh was a lot of times the place where talented guys had average to below average matches and then had great matches everywhere else that wasn’t Roh Yeah, the Lizard Man has been lackluster. They finally pulled the trigger on O'Reilly at the end of his stint hoping for him to stay (he said nah), Dijak had nothing to work for or show and went to Evolve/PWG and got noticed quick, Keith Lee saw the writing on the wall, bailed, and skyrocketed due to his choice, and there are a few more guys who bailed for the betterment of their careers. the reason Dijak got "noticed" so quick is because WWE wanted to sign him when he was still with ROH. he was one of the guys like O'Reilly, Fish, etc. that WWE was talking to behind ROH's back when he was still under contract, which legally they couldn't do. when ROH found out they threatened to sue and WWE backed off signing them until a few months after their contracts expired. he went to Evolve because he needed something to do for a few months until WWE could sign him. Evolve made the most of it by jobbing him out in all his matches |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 4, 2018 15:28:48 GMT -5
on another ROH note, Taeler Hendix accused Jay Lethal of sabatoging her because she wouldn't sleep with him. Not sure if serious or not
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Post by Facetious on Jul 4, 2018 16:15:26 GMT -5
Yeah, the Lizard Man has been lackluster. They finally pulled the trigger on O'Reilly at the end of his stint hoping for him to stay (he said nah), Dijak had nothing to work for or show and went to Evolve/PWG and got noticed quick, Keith Lee saw the writing on the wall, bailed, and skyrocketed due to his choice, and there are a few more guys who bailed for the betterment of their careers. the reason Dijak got "noticed" so quick is because WWE wanted to sign him when he was still with ROH. he was one of the guys like O'Reilly, Fish, etc. that WWE was talking to behind ROH's back when he was still under contract, which legally they couldn't do. when ROH found out they threatened to sue and WWE backed off signing them until a few months after their contracts expired. he went to Evolve because he needed something to do for a few months until WWE could sign him. Evolve made the most of it by jobbing him out in all his matches I meant "noticed" as in people talking about him. Other than Beyond Wrestling, no one ever really talked about the guy. And even while jobbing, he got attention by putting on amazing matches with Keith Lee. It doesn't change the fact that Dijak has nothing to show for in ROH other than a piece in Truth's stable and another failed attempt at a new Embassy with Prince Nana that is usually a death kiss. |
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jul 4, 2018 23:29:17 GMT -5
ROH used to be where you could see amazing wrestling. It was the dream to bring Japanese style puroresu to America and make a whole company of it. That dream was realized. It was truly an alternative product.
Now you watch NXT or WWE and you see wrestling just as good as ROH wrestling. And often performed by people who used to be the biggest stars of ROH. If you were a die-hard ROH fan which show would you be watching now?
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jul 5, 2018 0:29:59 GMT -5
I can't say I disagree with him. I remember in the mid 00's ROH having this almost mythical status with me. I was in college here in the UK, so I couldn't afford to buy every DVD that they released. The few I managed to get my hands on blew me away, and it was so frustrating that I had bo means of really following the company back then.
But now when ROH is a lot easier to follow, I have zero interest. Their roster really does nothing for me, aside from the New Japan talent- who I already get to see in New Japan. I am happy that they're doing good business, but there is nowhere near the buzz that they had ten years ago.
As an aside, I really wish they'd re-release all the old stuff. I'd love to finally have the chance to watch it all.
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Post by corndog on Jul 5, 2018 12:55:34 GMT -5
...He's not wrong. Others have brought it up but the TV show is a huge hinderance if you're trying to get into the product. Yeah, you'll know the angles and such but the show is dull as dishwater most weeks. The production values are STILL ass after being on this TV deal for the better part of a decade. The big shows still deliver but who gives a f*** if no new audiences are interested in watching? ROH used to be the go-to if you wanted an alternative to main roster WWE but not no more. NXT. MLW. Lucha Underground. New Japan. Hell, even CMLL and AAA shows are more accessable here in the States than they have been in ages. ROH ain't hot no more. Point blank, if you are a consumer, there's much better products in the marketplace to spend your time and your money. EDIT: Now, all that said, ain't ROH doing literally their best business ever rn or something close to that? So, they'll be aight. But yeah, they really AREN'T cool no more. The Young Bucks are cool. New Japan is cool. Cody is cool. ROH? Nah. The key point is ROH's TV is garbage. It's booked like an 80s territory tv except without major storyline progression, it's completely unnecessary to even enjoy the live shows/ppvs. I miss the days of getting Bryan Danielson vs Nigel McGuinness and a 45 minute match between the Kings of Wrestling and American Wolves. I don't even know if their television does title matches anymore. However, live events are doing very well for them which is important. But a lot of that has to do with the fact that they have the Young Bucks, Cody and Marty Scurll who have done a fantastic job of marketing themselves. Also, the deal with New Japan helps them immensely. |
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