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Post by thechase on Dec 18, 2019 16:21:27 GMT -5
I have learned to approach these movies without any expectations. I just relax and try to enjoy what I get. The brilliance of the originals will never be diminished for me. I just came back from it and I had tons of fun. The space battles are as good as ever, the movie made me laugh, made me choke up and I walked out feeling good on money well spent. It could had some more levity in it and I still do not like the eventual fates of Luke, Han and Leia, but no real complaints. Then I did not see it from a high expection perspective or fandom point of view. I am sure it will not be liked by the nitpickers or hard core fans, but what Star Wars movie is? Is it timeless to you? Because a film can be a fun ride and also pretty forgettable with no rewatch value. The original trilogy are all timeless and well loved. Revenge of the Sith produces fresh memes virtually every year and is credited with being the movie that really put Palpatine on the map in the current SW cultural climate, and has endless rewatch values for the right and wrong reasons. Does Rise of Skywalker fall into this category for you? MUST you be compelled to rewatch it? And if you're sure hardcore fans will dislike it...then it's doing something very wrong
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 18, 2019 17:55:24 GMT -5
Oh man, I think my head exploded just reading the plot spoilers.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 18, 2019 18:16:44 GMT -5
I will say that Revenge of the Sith is the most underrated movies out of the franchise. Given the rehab the prequels have unduly received from some people I’d say it is overrated at this point.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Dec 18, 2019 18:39:11 GMT -5
I just came back from it and I had tons of fun. The space battles are as good as ever, the movie made me laugh, made me choke up and I walked out feeling good on money well spent. It could had some more levity in it and I still do not like the eventual fates of Luke, Han and Leia, but no real complaints. Then I did not see it from a high expection perspective or fandom point of view. I am sure it will not be liked by the nitpickers or hard core fans, but what Star Wars movie is? Is it timeless to you? Because a film can be a fun ride and also pretty forgettable with no rewatch value. The original trilogy are all timeless and well loved. Revenge of the Sith produces fresh memes virtually every year and is credited with being the movie that really put Palpatine on the map in the current SW cultural climate, and has endless rewatch values for the right and wrong reasons. Does Rise of Skywalker fall into this category for you? MUST you be compelled to rewatch it? And if you're sure hardcore fans will dislike it...then it's doing something very wrong Hardly timeless, but I would love to see it again, especially during any marathons I might do. I am sure many hardcore fans will like it too, I was more referring to fans who are never happy no matter what.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 18, 2019 19:09:51 GMT -5
So here in Korea this isn't being released for another two weeks (early January). It's crazy to see this reaction. Like I said before, I'm looking more forward to RedLetterMedia's take than the film itself.
Looks like they need to bring in the big guns: Feige, or someone who has a vision and plan for a whole trilogy.
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Post by Fade on Dec 18, 2019 19:19:08 GMT -5
What the hell is this {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}fortnite, broadcast opening crawl thing? It’s confusing the hell outta me So here in Korea this isn't being released for another two weeks (early January). It's crazy to see this reaction. Like I said before, I'm looking more forward to RedLetterMedia's take than the film itself. Looks like they need to bring in the big guns: Feige, or someone who has a vision and plan for a whole trilogy. For months the leaks only made me more hyped for the Mr. Plinkett review lol. Re-watching them, they weren’t even that harsh with TLJ but this one’ll probably be a doozie. And since this morning I’ve been thinking about Feige. Might be early but..guessing his movie is still on the horizon.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 18, 2019 21:00:08 GMT -5
I just came back from it and I had tons of fun. The space battles are as good as ever, the movie made me laugh, made me choke up and I walked out feeling good on money well spent. It could had some more levity in it and I still do not like the eventual fates of Luke, Han and Leia, but no real complaints. Then I did not see it from a high expection perspective or fandom point of view. I am sure it will not be liked by the nitpickers or hard core fans, but what Star Wars movie is? Is it timeless to you? Because a film can be a fun ride and also pretty forgettable with no rewatch value. The original trilogy are all timeless and well loved. Revenge of the Sith produces fresh memes virtually every year and is credited with being the movie that really put Palpatine on the map in the current SW cultural climate, and has endless rewatch values for the right and wrong reasons. Does Rise of Skywalker fall into this category for you? MUST you be compelled to rewatch it? And if you're sure hardcore fans will dislike it...then it's doing something very wrong You're asking someone a few minutes after they saw a movie if it's timeless and then telling them their opinion is misguided? Get off that shit. You don't like a movie, that's fine. STOP TELLING OTHERS IN THIS THREAD HOW TO THINK. NOW. In fact, stop posting in this thread. You're done.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 18, 2019 21:04:31 GMT -5
Isn't Solo already the most Feige-inspired or Feige-aesthetic Disney Star Wars movie to date? Solo was the Thor: The Dark World or Captain America: Civil War of the Star Wars universe: fun, competently made within the corporate mandate of IP management, but completely forgettable and minor, if not disposable, in terms of narrative significance when placed within a greater whole of its respective film series. Therefore, I don't quite understand people clamouring for more of that particular same.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 18, 2019 21:16:03 GMT -5
I’m laaaaaaaaaaaughing over those reviews. Lets get back the dark ages of Star Wars babyyyyyy! Power of the Force figures and no movies for a decade! Is it timeless to you? Because a film can be a fun ride and also pretty forgettable with no rewatch value. The original trilogy are all timeless and well loved. Revenge of the Sith produces fresh memes virtually every year and is credited with being the movie that really put Palpatine on the map in the current SW cultural climate, and has endless rewatch values for the right and wrong reasons. Does Rise of Skywalker fall into this category for you? MUST you be compelled to rewatch it? And if you're sure hardcore fans will dislike it...then it's doing something very wrong You're asking someone a few minutes after they saw a movie if it's timeless and then telling them their opinion is misguided? Get off that shit. You don't like a movie, that's fine. STOP TELLING OTHERS IN THIS THREAD HOW TO THINK. NOW. In fact, stop posting in this thread. You're done. Jesus. That seems like a bit much.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 18, 2019 21:21:29 GMT -5
I’m laaaaaaaaaaaughing over those reviews. Lets get back the dark ages of Star Wars babyyyyyy! Power of the Force figures and no movies for a decade! You're asking someone a few minutes after they saw a movie if it's timeless and then telling them their opinion is misguided? Get off that shit. You don't like a movie, that's fine. STOP TELLING OTHERS IN THIS THREAD HOW TO THINK. NOW. In fact, stop posting in this thread. You're done. Jesus. That seems like a bit much. Nope, he's been doing this several times in the thread. Accused people who liked it of being paid off too. I'm done with that kind a crap in these threads.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:55:06 GMT -5
I wonder how the Last Jedi detractors (the “hardcore” ones making clickhate videos on YouTube and harassing people on Twitter, mind you) will reckon with the fact that ROS is getting bad reviews. Honestly RoS feels like a film that will end up not really pleasing anyone. Various TLJ detractors have already written the franchise off with a sense that its too little too late to save it, and given that the reviews suggest a very messy course correction after Episode 8, people who liked TLJ will probably like it even less. Honestly, if this is going to be how the series ends as far as the main story is concerned, it's not the ideal conclusion. I mean, I will admit I am not a Last Jedi fan at all and haven't been a total fan of the Disney deal, but the Rise of Skywalker could easily solve those problems. However, once I read that plot spoiler synopsis and things started falling into place, my heart just sank. It's gonna make a ton of cash, but you don't need to throw the kitchen sink's worth of plot just because it's the "final" final film.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 18, 2019 22:03:36 GMT -5
It's certainly divisive.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 18, 2019 22:09:21 GMT -5
Honestly RoS feels like a film that will end up not really pleasing anyone. Various TLJ detractors have already written the franchise off with a sense that its too little too late to save it, and given that the reviews suggest a very messy course correction after Episode 8, people who liked TLJ will probably like it even less. Honestly, if this is going to be how the series ends as far as the main story is concerned, it's not the ideal conclusion. I mean, I will admit I am not a Last Jedi fan at all and haven't been a total fan of the Disney deal, but the Rise of Skywalker could easily solve those problems. However, once I read that plot spoiler synopsis and things started falling into place, my heart just sank. It's gonna make a ton of cash, but you don't need to throw the kitchen sink's worth of plot just because it's the "final" final film. It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive agressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction.
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Post by Fade on Dec 18, 2019 22:11:23 GMT -5
Yep. JJ bringing balance to the Star Wars fandom inadvertently. Isn't Solo already the most Feige-inspired or Feige-aesthetic Disney Star Wars movie to date? Solo was the Thor: The Dark World or Captain America: Civil War of the Star Wars universe: fun, competently made within the corporate mandate of IP management, but completely forgettable and minor, if not disposable, in terms of narrative significance when placed within a greater whole of its respective film series. Therefore, I don't quite understand people clamouring for more of that particular same. Solo was boring. Painfully average/ok. I’ll give ya Thor: the dark world, but mostly all Feige has helped develop has at least been fun. Honestly, if this is going to be how the series ends as far as the main story is concerned, it's not the ideal conclusion. I mean, I will admit I am not a Last Jedi fan at all and haven't been a total fan of the Disney deal, but the Rise of Skywalker could easily solve those problems. However, once I read that plot spoiler synopsis and things started falling into place, my heart just sank. It's gonna make a ton of cash, but you don't need to throw the kitchen sink's worth of plot just because it's the "final" final film. It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive agressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction. Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 18, 2019 22:23:12 GMT -5
It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive aggressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction. Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love. At the very least Disney was smart enough to be hands off with it, and oversaw a series without any films that divided the fanbase in any significant way (complaints about the Mandarain twist in IM3 seem so quaint now). Whether the Mouse was too involved or not enough with Star Wars, something definitely feels like it went wrong with its management at some point.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 18, 2019 22:23:57 GMT -5
Yep. JJ bringing balance to the Star Wars fandom inadvertently. Isn't Solo already the most Feige-inspired or Feige-aesthetic Disney Star Wars movie to date? Solo was the Thor: The Dark World or Captain America: Civil War of the Star Wars universe: fun, competently made within the corporate mandate of IP management, but completely forgettable and minor, if not disposable, in terms of narrative significance when placed within a greater whole of its respective film series. Therefore, I don't quite understand people clamouring for more of that particular same. Solo was boring. Painfully average/ok. I’ll give ya Thor: the dark world, but mostly all Feige has helped develop has at least been fun. It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive agressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction. Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love. And wasn't Dark World where Feige had some of the least actual control over? IIRC it and Age of Ultron were the two movies that made Feige go right to Iger and convince him to be put in charge of the entire shebang.
And the funny thing is, a lot of what Disney has done with Star Wars has been positively received without much division. It's just all in side projects. Rogue One, Rebels, and The Mandalorian are all really well-liked, and there's the Obi-Wan show and a true last season of Clone Wars in the pipeline that a lot of folks are hyped for. It's part of why I hope Filoni gets the helm after Kennedy retires because he just really gets what makes Star Wars special and he's had a hand in most of those projects.
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Post by Fade on Dec 18, 2019 22:25:31 GMT -5
Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love. At the very least Disney was smart enough to be hands off with it, and oversaw a series without any films that divided the fanbase in any significant way (complaints about the Mandarain twist in IM3 seem so quaint now). Whether the Mouse was too involved or not enough with Star Wars, something definitely feels like it went wrong with its management at some point.Without a doubt. and people have brought it up in the last few pages but “only-sorta-not-really” having an idea of where the story would go is probably it. Yep. JJ bringing balance to the Star Wars fandom inadvertently. Solo was boring. Painfully average/ok. I’ll give ya Thor: the dark world, but mostly all Feige has helped develop has at least been fun. Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love. And wasn't Dark World where Feige had some of the least actual control over? IIRC it and Age of Ultron were the two movies that made Feige go right to Iger and convince him to be put in charge of the entire shebang. No idea. AOU felt like a mess. That’s probably the closest I’d relate this too. But they course corrected hard. Not sure if that was more credit to Feigi or the Russo brothers but, whoever was cooking in the kitchen got their shit together.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 18, 2019 22:28:36 GMT -5
Honestly, if this is going to be how the series ends as far as the main story is concerned, it's not the ideal conclusion. I mean, I will admit I am not a Last Jedi fan at all and haven't been a total fan of the Disney deal, but the Rise of Skywalker could easily solve those problems. However, once I read that plot spoiler synopsis and things started falling into place, my heart just sank. It's gonna make a ton of cash, but you don't need to throw the kitchen sink's worth of plot just because it's the "final" final film. It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive agressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction. This whole mess is the creative equivalent of if JJ had made an extremely ill-advised six-figure credit card purchase for some overpriced novelty item, like a sushi set made of solid gold, despite having $3,000 in his bank account. And then his casual acquaintance Rian comes along and decides, as a sick April Fool’s Day prank, to hack into JJ’s account and clean it out, leaving JJ with no money right when the bill collectors start calling. One’s a dumbass, the other’s an asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 22:33:05 GMT -5
Honestly, if this is going to be how the series ends as far as the main story is concerned, it's not the ideal conclusion. I mean, I will admit I am not a Last Jedi fan at all and haven't been a total fan of the Disney deal, but the Rise of Skywalker could easily solve those problems. However, once I read that plot spoiler synopsis and things started falling into place, my heart just sank. It's gonna make a ton of cash, but you don't need to throw the kitchen sink's worth of plot just because it's the "final" final film. It reveals how the lack of a real plan for the trilogy hurt it badly in the end. There's something fundamentally bizarre that this billion dollar film franchise, in the hands of company that pulled off a 10 year plus movie universe with 20 something Marvel flicks, supposedly concluding a story saga that began in 1977... may just amount to being a passive agressive tug of war between two directors over creative direction. I believe the issue was that, unlike the MCU, where they laid out a concrete road map and at least had decades of comics to look back upon for inspiration (Civil War, the Infinity Gauntlet, Fear Itself, etc.) as well as a majority of directors who were willing to follow along with the company's overarching policy, Star Wars had the twinfold problem of both retroactively undoing decades of lore (the "Legends" continuity) in an attempt to make everything simple for the sake of the average customer but also had to work with directors who had a track record of butting heads. Sure, as time went on, they have gone into the Legends continuity to pick and choose what they have wanted to use once more, as the MCU has done, but the process for that has been in the supplemental material as opposed to the mainline movies, and they still haven't reigned in both Rian Johnson or JJ Abrams. Ultimately, the "prequels" and the "sequels" are both going to be marred both by different types of creative quandaries; one in which you give a man nigh unlimited freedom, and the other in which you attempt to restrict the freedom as much as possible in a corporate setting. In both situations, you can create fantastic works depending upon the muse, but you can also cause catastrophic calamities. But... the story in this movie is how we're going to wrap up the series, so what lunacy we see on the screen this weekend is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 22:38:22 GMT -5
Yep. JJ bringing balance to the Star Wars fandom inadvertently. Solo was boring. Painfully average/ok. I’ll give ya Thor: the dark world, but mostly all Feige has helped develop has at least been fun. Think it’s kinda unfair to credit Disney with the crux of Marvels success. A lot of that seemed in-house. Disney/LF definitely wanted that marvel appeal/universe/money and like the so many others that have tried to emulate..didn’t pan out ideally (all the $$$$$$ withstanding). I’m not even the biggest marvel fan, but that shit was handled slowly. Patiently. And with a lot of love. And wasn't Dark World where Feige had some of the least actual control over? IIRC it and Age of Ultron were the two movies that made Feige go right to Iger and convince him to be put in charge of the entire shebang.
And the funny thing is, a lot of what Disney has done with Star Wars has been positively received without much division. It's just all in side projects. Rogue One, Rebels, and The Mandalorian are all really well-liked, and there's the Obi-Wan show and a true last season of Clone Wars in the pipeline that a lot of folks are hyped for. It's part of why I hope Filoni gets the helm after Kennedy retires because he just really gets what makes Star Wars special and he's had a hand in most of those projects.
And that's the thing. My overall displeasure with Disney Star Wars seems largely at the mainline stuff, such as the movies and the Battlefront games. I've actually been quite fascinated with the Mandalorian far beyond the Child memes (I'm such a snob I don't wanna call him Baby Yoda). Let people have some opportunity to flex their muscles and not be bogged down by what they have to do or can't do as long as they adhere to a standard list of guidelines and seem to respect the series, and you manage to get a futuristic western where the bumbling aspects about Boba Fett are transferred to another character and it's not a liability for him but rather part of his development.
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