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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2023 19:55:44 GMT -5
Long shot since stuff we saw this ep: Denise Crosby. Reborn Tasha somehow? ...thinking about it, I wonder if Tasha could have made a good Section 31 operative. Wouldn't necessarily have to be a reborn Tasha. The only evidence we have that she's dead is Sela's word, and that's not exactly a reliable source. Even if Sela herself believed it, who's to say what she was told was the truth? Romulans aren't above deceiving their own people and even their own families if it suits their purpose. Hell, I'm not sure I'd rule out Sela herself appearing. Other suggestions I've seen include Wesley, Morn, Quark, Janeway, the Borg Queen (Alice Krige), and Borgati. Longest shot I've seen suggested is Kirk himself. With how fanservicey this season has been, and the fact that the tech is available to give us mid-'90s Shatner quite easily, I wouldn't even rule that out at some point before it ends. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 23, 2023 20:03:53 GMT -5
Long shot since stuff we saw this ep: Denise Crosby. Reborn Tasha somehow? ...thinking about it, I wonder if Tasha could have made a good Section 31 operative. Wouldn't necessarily have to be a reborn Tasha. The only evidence we have that she's dead is Sela's word, and that's not exactly a reliable source. Even if Sela herself believed it, who's to say what she was told was the truth? Romulans aren't above deceiving their own people and even their own families if it suits their purpose. Hell, I'm not sure I'd rule out Sela herself appearing. Other suggestions I've seen include Wesley, Morn, Quark, Janeway, the Borg Queen (Alice Krige), and Borgati. Longest shot I've seen suggested is Kirk himself. With how fanservicey this season has been, and the fact that the tech is available to give us mid-'90s Shatner quite easily, I wouldn't even rule that out at some point before it ends. Well, whoever it is will be interviewed on The Ready Room. That knocks off Wesley since Wil Wheaton hosts that. Question is if they do go with Kirk: would they do the deep-fake with Shatner like they have with Mark Hamill on recent stuff with Luke Skywalker, or would they just use Paul Wesley and say something about a de-aging process in the revival? Also possible since it was pointed out that in the background of the episode: Archer. But I'm leaning to a DS9 character for the most part. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2023 20:15:41 GMT -5
Well, whoever it is will be interviewed on The Ready Room. That knocks off Wesley since Wil Wheaton hosts that. Question is if they do go with Kirk: would they do the deep-fake with Shatner like they have with Mark Hamill on recent stuff with Luke Skywalker, or would they just use Paul Wesley and say something about a de-aging process in the revival? Also possible since it was pointed out that in the background of the episode: Archer. But I'm leaning to a DS9 character for the most part. Fair point about Wesley, though I would be astounded if he didn't show up at some point. I know Wheaton has said he wasn't involved this season, but he said that about the second season as well (despite nobody really asking). As for Kirk, there's no way they wouldn't go with the deepfake method. The only reason to bring Kirk back on this show is to involve Shatner and let the old bastard be Kirk one last time before he dies. Have him perform a take as reference, have a body double do a second take and deepfake 1994 William Shatner's face onto the performance. For the life of me, I can't think of a narrative reason to bring Kirk back that wouldn't jump the shark, but it's clear Terry Matalas is just playing with action figures at the moment (and doing a great job), so what justification do they really need? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 23, 2023 20:28:21 GMT -5
The soundtrack will be released on April 20th. Track listing: {Spoiler}1. Beverly Crusher (3:02)
2. Old Communicator (1:58)
3. Hello, Beautiful (1:57)
4. Leaving Spacedock (3:44)
5. I Like That Seven! (3:29)
6. Breaking the Beam (3:59)
7. The Shrike (3:34)
8. Picard’s Answer (4:08)
9. Riker and Jack (2:08)
10. Call Me Number One (2:02)
11. No Win Scenario (3:57)
12. Blood in the Water (2:58)
13. Let’s Go Home (3:24)
14. Flying Blind (5:51)
15. A New Family (4:16)
16. Klingons Never Disappoint (5:32)
17. I Do See You (5:26)
18. Legacies (3:15)
19. Evolution (2:44)
20. La Forges (2:08)
21. Invisible Rescue (3:34)
22. Catch Me First (2:32)
23. Proteus (3:46)
24. Dominion (7:04)
25. Lower the Partition (3:38)
26. Get Off My Bridge (4:26)
27. Family Reunion (3:17)
28. Impossible (1:37)
29. Frontier Day (2:43)
30. Hail the Fleet (4:03)
31. You Have the Conn (3:44)
32. Make It So (6:02)
33. This Ends Tonight (3:07)
34. Battle On the Bridge (2:58)
35. All That’s Left (2:02)
36. Annihilate (3:05)
37. Trust Me (2:06)
38. The Last Generation (2:51)
39. Where It All Began (2:19)
40. The Missing Part of Me (4:30)
41. Must Come to an End (1:32)
42. A New Day (3:22)
43. Legacy and Future (1:44)
44. Names Mean Everything (1:43)
45. The Stars – End Credits (2:59) |
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Post by thechase on Mar 24, 2023 4:33:31 GMT -5
Episode Six {Spoiler}
Having a direct follow-up to Star Trek IV wasn't on my memberberry scratch card but here we are. Looks like the Shatner penned novel Ashes of Eden isn't canon as the Enterprise-A is shown intact at the Fleet Museum. Also present are the second Defiant, the HMS Bounty from Star Trek IV, and of course...Voyager, which gets a little more focus due to Seven being there.
The cameo of Moriarty was nice, it wasn't the 'real' one, just one projected as a defence mechanism by Data/Lore/B4/Soong, have to admit, they kept the idea that they were doing a multi-personality Data synth quiet, as everyone just assumed it was simply going to be Lore from the trailers.
I know someone may say now is the part where you definitely had to have been paying attention to season one of Picard as we learn The Changelings stole Picard's human remains from Daystrom, but they continuously kept calling back to Picard's positronic body in prior episodes and this one so that at least reminds us all that this is the same show, and that it's all tying back to even the lore established by this spin-off. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 24, 2023 14:05:59 GMT -5
Long shot since stuff we saw this ep: Denise Crosby. Reborn Tasha somehow? ...thinking about it, I wonder if Tasha could have made a good Section 31 operative. Wouldn't necessarily have to be a reborn Tasha. The only evidence we have that she's dead is Sela's word, and that's not exactly a reliable source. Even if Sela herself believed it, who's to say what she was told was the truth? Romulans aren't above deceiving their own people and even their own families if it suits their purpose. Hell, I'm not sure I'd rule out Sela herself appearing. Other suggestions I've seen include Wesley, Morn, Quark, Janeway, the Borg Queen (Alice Krige), and Borgati. Longest shot I've seen suggested is Kirk himself. With how fanservicey this season has been, and the fact that the tech is available to give us mid-'90s Shatner quite easily, I wouldn't even rule that out at some point before it ends. Funny thing is that there was a questline in Star Trek Online where Tasha wasn't executed and instead sent to some Romulan prison colony and eventually died because of something or other. The player character did this with Sela, who found out her father lied to her about her mother's execution and wanted to learn what really happened, thinking there was a chance she was still alive. They eventually found her last audio logs and hers and Castillo's remains. Sela then gave herself up to Alpha Quadrant Alliance authorities (alliance between the player factions at the time: the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic) to face charges from her previous actions in-game.
This can't be canon because it's implied Data visits Sela in her cell to talk about Tasha and he's gone gone after Picard S1. But I wouldn't be surprised if they took some elements of it (like Tasha not really being killed by the Romulans) to bring Tasha or Sela back in some capacity.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 24, 2023 14:29:34 GMT -5
A thought just came to me watching some old clips:
The being that Vadic has been reporting to...what if it's a member of Species 8472?
They live in fluidic space, and they are known to know about genetic manipulation. So messing with beings like the Changelings might not be a problem for them. Plus from what I've heard, they have been a threat in "Star Trek Online" before...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 24, 2023 22:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Mar 24, 2023 22:20:37 GMT -5
Mommy, the guy from Reading Rainbow said a bad word.  On another note, I love how Terry Matalas is aggressively putting in so many New Jersey-related Easter Eggs lol. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 29, 2023 16:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Mar 29, 2023 16:53:29 GMT -5
So there's some really fun Easter Eggs with the ships chosen:
USS Lexington (Nebula-class) - Participated in the Battle of Sector 001
USS New Jersey (Constitution-class) - Terry Matalas loving throwing in references to his home state.
HMS Bounty (B'rel-class Bird of Prey) - Ship Kirk and co. stole to go back in time to 1980's San Francisco and get humpback whales
Kronos One (K't'inga-class) - Flagship of Klingon Chancellor Gorkon, who paved the way for the First Khitomer Accords and intergalactic peace between the former enemies. I guess it's on loan from the Klingon Empire as a gesture of friendship to the Federation.
USS Enterprise (NX-class Refit) - The refit is based on a concept model that was apparently going to be used in later seasons of Enterprise if the show survived beyond 4 seasons. It added an entire secondary hull and larger deflector dish to the underbelly of the vessel. Giving it the "USS" prefix means it likely continued service as part of the Federation Starfleet as United Earth Starfleet vessels didn't really use that prefix as far as we know. I really like this design as it looks like a "missing link" between the original NX-class and the Constitution-class.
USS Saratoga (Miranda-class) - Benjamin Sisko's ship during the Battle of Wolf 359. While this ship was completely destroyed by the Borg, the original 23rd Century Saratoga (also a Miranda-class) remained intact. It was taken, updated with the 24th Century Saratoga's registry number, interiors, and design, and restored for the Fleet Museum.
USS Pioneer (Pioneer-class) - The "tutorial ship's" default name and registry from the Star Trek Online TOS-era expansion "Agents of Yesterday." The ship was recorded as a loss at the time in a battle with the Romulans, but it was actually saved along with its crew by the temporal agent known as Daniels and sent to the early 25th century. I think the Na'Khul were also involved, which is why he intervened in the first place. Of course, in STO's timeline, that wasn't until 2410, so I'm guessing the one in the museum is a recreation of the ship like the Saratoga to commemorate a noteworthy battle.
USS Defiant (Defiant-class) - Despite the registry number, this is the second Defiant that was originally known as the USS Sao Paulo. The registry number was changed to the original Defiant's, too, complete with the NX. This is in spite of the USS Excelsior changing its original registry prefix from NX to NCC.
Romulan Bird of Prey - Probably meant to be a recreation of the vessel Kirk and crew faced off against in the TOS episode "Balance of Terror," as that particular vessel was destroyed. Maybe it's on loan from the Vulcan museum (as seen on Lower Decks) or it was donated/loaned by the Romulan Empire or one of its successor states during a time of thawed relations between the Federation and Romulans.
USS Wersching (Akira-class) - Named in tribute of actress Annie Wersching, best known for playing the Borg Queen in S2, who sadly passed away from cancer two months ago.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 29, 2023 17:13:24 GMT -5
Worth noting that the now-canonical designation for the Constitution-class refits is Constitution II.
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Post by thechase on Mar 30, 2023 7:09:00 GMT -5
A decent budget saving episode this week, but it's probably the weakest instalment of the season {Spoiler}Worf, the real Riker, Troi and Raffi don't show up (Riker does, but just as a Changeling on a viewscreen) nor are mentioned. Considering all that happens here, the absence of two of them is notable during it.
Vaddick's origin is detailed...it's...mid at best. Just another changeling tortured and experimented on that rebelled, killed the scientist that tested s*it on her and took her form, then gave her enhanced abilities to other changelings that felt the wrong side won the war.
Jack can read minds now, and can link to others so they be 'in sync' with his own skills
I feel the Lore thing had a good thing going with Geordi but we needed so much more of it. I don't think there was a good balance of everything this time, it was great regardless to have Geordi talk to Data about what he went through after Nemesis, reminding us all that it was their bond that came first in TNG and not whatr the theatrical movies presented with Data and Picard constantly
Lastly, the subversion of the Changeling Tuvok cameo. Nice way to provide fanservice while also raising the threat level of the Changelings in starfleet |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 30, 2023 17:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 30, 2023 20:04:59 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I feel the Lore thing had a good thing going with Geordi but we needed so much more of it. I don't think there was a good balance of everything this time, it was great regardless to have Geordi talk to Data about what he went through after Nemesis, reminding us all that it was their bond that came first in TNG and not whatr the theatrical movies presented with Data and Picard constantly {Spoiler}Totally agree. It goes some way to fixing the biggest problem with the first season, in that revealing Data to be alive should not have been done without Geordi. Even as late as Generations their primary friendships were with each other over any other member of the crew, and it was only in First Contact that we really got the sense that Data was being pushed as the Spock to Picard's Kirk.
Still, after some debate over whether this is the "real" Data and not merely a semi-sentient android that believes it is Data because it has most of his memories, they have now conclusively established that it is in fact Data and Lore's sentient personalities in there, while only Soong, Lal, and B-4's memories exist in there. Hopefully they won't kill Data off yet again, as Spiner's primary reason for wanting this to happen (being too old to play an ageless android) has been accounted for. Assuming this time period continues in whatever show comes next, of course. |
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 5, 2023 7:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 6, 2023 3:58:16 GMT -5
At last, an f-bomb in Star Trek that felt earned. {Spoiler}It also helps that f-bombs and Amanda Plummer go together like strawberries and cream. Lady knows how to deliver a hearty cuss word. I love the ongoing gag of everybody disliking Picard's wine. {Spoiler}Pah-wraiths are the big bads, aren't they? |
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Post by thechase on Apr 6, 2023 5:50:58 GMT -5
Better than last week {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Did not expect Vadic or the Shryke to meet their ends here, but it's good that we have Troi getting more screen time as she now plays the most vital part in getting answers. I suppose next week will be devoted entirely to Jack's origin, I wonder just how much of it warrants a 50 minute run time?
I like that we can finally put the mess of Data's constant reinventions behind us and focus on the TNG reunion. Also glad we got even more Data and Geordie interaction and less with Picard and Data (except for when to tie up loose ends from Picard S1). This show knows which relationship is the more important again |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 6, 2023 15:36:24 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Did not expect Vadic or the Shryke to meet their ends here, but it's good that we have Troi getting more screen time as she now plays the most vital part in getting answers. I suppose next week will be devoted entirely to Jack's origin, I wonder just how much of it warrants a 50 minute run time? {Spoiler}I doubt the entire episode will be devoted to it. They've got two episodes left and there's still the mass infiltration of Changelings in Starfleet to address and stopping whatever their plan is. |
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Post by schma on Apr 7, 2023 3:55:09 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying a lot of the reunions, my favorite being the one this week.
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