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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Aug 8, 2018 19:04:55 GMT -5
Was just watching a little WCW 1994 on the Network and was amazed at how....natural Sherri Martel looks with Harlem Heat, and how she just really helped pull the whole act together in that tag team's early push. Then I remembered a partnership that always mildly baffled me, that being Sir Oliver Humperdink and babyface Bam Bam Bigelow, which just always looked wrong to me, somehow. What are some other examples of managers that just fit their talent like a glove, or totally clashed?
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Post by mcd on Aug 8, 2018 19:26:54 GMT -5
For one of the worst? Shawn Michaels and Jose Lothario. The amounts of Shawns give a damns were on display anytime they shared space!
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 8, 2018 20:05:59 GMT -5
For one of the worst? Shawn Michaels and Jose Lothario. The amounts of Shawns give a damns were on display anytime they shared space! Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. Bobby Heenan and Red Rooster, Bobby legit hated Terry Taylor in real life.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Aug 8, 2018 21:10:26 GMT -5
For one of the worst? Shawn Michaels and Jose Lothario. The amounts of Shawns give a damns were on display anytime they shared space! Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. R.I.P. to THAT thread Although Jose apparently refusing to stop following Shawn around so he could keep getting paid is hysterical.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 8, 2018 21:25:52 GMT -5
Remember Ricardo Rodriguez and RVD for.... reasons?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 8, 2018 21:42:47 GMT -5
Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. R.I.P. to THAT thread Although Jose apparently refusing to stop following Shawn around so he could keep getting paid is hysterical. They tried to recreate Stu and Bret with Shawn and Lothario, unfortunately nobody cared for him. Jose was a star in the Houston territory in the 70s, but to the wwe fans he was just a Hans Moleman lookalike stalking Shawn Michaels. Apparently Jose went behind Shawn's back and asked management for a longer on screen role.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 8, 2018 22:02:35 GMT -5
Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. R.I.P. to THAT thread Although Jose apparently refusing to stop following Shawn around so he could keep getting paid is hysterical. That thread was the most I've ever laughed in my 12 years on this board.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 8, 2018 22:32:31 GMT -5
R.I.P. to THAT thread Although Jose apparently refusing to stop following Shawn around so he could keep getting paid is hysterical. That thread was the most I've ever laughed in my 12 years on this board. I still can't believe that Lothario's Wikipedia remained vandalized for years. Sweatsock won the HBK bangbus championship and the Sid Eudy take it to the face invitational.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 23:57:00 GMT -5
Worst chemistry? Perfect with Flair. It just didn't work for me at all. It should have been a brilliant combo but it felt like Hennig was in phoning mode and didn't want to be there.
Best? Sherri and Shawn, Tammy and Chris, Heenan and Andre, Bearer and Taker/Kane
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 9, 2018 0:25:08 GMT -5
Worst chemistry? Perfect with Flair. It just didn't work for me at all. It should have been a brilliant combo but it felt like Hennig was in phoning mode and didn't want to be there. Best? Sherri and Shawn, Tammy and Chris, Heenan and Andre, Bearer and Taker/Kane It didn't help that Perfect had his Llyoyd's of London Insurance policy when he was managing Flair and couldn't take any bumps which hurt his effectiveness in a manager role. He would still interfere and attack Flair's opponents constantly but to me that just made him worse as the babyfaces could never hit him back and get their heat back so it just ended up making them look bad as a result. It was even worse with Rick Rude as he would just beat the crap out of guys and the wrestlers would have to just stand there and take it because they couldn't do anything. It just kind of made you wonder why Rude wasn't wrestling anymore since all of these top main event wrestlers were so helpless against him. Anyways for best I would say Honky Tonk/Jimmy Hart, Perfect/Heenan. Shawn/Sherri, and Demolition/Fuji. As far as worst goes Demolition/Johnny V comes to mind as Johnny V's goofball schtick didn't fit with at all. Switching them to Fuji was a good move as even though he wasn't a good manager it was a perfect for the team since he was a more dark and sinester character that was more compatible with them. It seemed like Slick had a lot of odd parings that didn't make much sense. Bossman, Rick Martel, and the Bolsheviks all come to mind. Oddly Slick, Bossman, and Akeem as trio worked really well though despite making no sense at all on paper.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 9, 2018 1:14:43 GMT -5
On paper the idea of Flair mentoring Miz sounds like it might work out decently, given all the superficial similarities in their characters. But not only did they play up none of that, Miz was a f***ing face at the time. A completely unlikable, bland, nebulous void of a face. It made absolutely no sense at all, and whenever Miz busts out the Figure Four to remind us of that time I have to look away from the screen.
But at least there's a maybe possibility of the idea working under different conditions. What TNA was thinking when they had AJ Styles become the new Nature Boy under Ric Flair is so far beyond me that it still gives me a headache to this day. Just a total miscasting of a dude who works well as a heel, but not the kind of high rolling, fast living, womanizing ball of sleaze that Ric is. It wasn't even kind of convincing.
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Post by siredger on Aug 9, 2018 1:16:51 GMT -5
For one of the worst? Shawn Michaels and Jose Lothario. The amounts of Shawns give a damns were on display anytime they shared space! Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. Bobby Heenan and Red Rooster, Bobby legit hated Terry Taylor in real life. With all the wrestling podcasts I've listened to lately, it seems like everyone legit hates Terry Taylor
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 9, 2018 1:35:59 GMT -5
Prichard said that Lothario was supposed to be a short time deal as a manager but tried to overstay his welcome, that's why Shawn looked pissed off when Jose was around. Bobby Heenan and Red Rooster, Bobby legit hated Terry Taylor in real life. With all the wrestling podcasts I've listened to lately, it seems like everyone legit hates Terry Taylor Most of the heat he gets is from his days in talent relations.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 9, 2018 1:38:50 GMT -5
Remember Ricardo Rodriguez and RVD for.... reasons? I still forget RVD was back in WWE after getting punted out by Randy Orton in 07. On that note, Alberto and Ricardo were absolutely great together, and Ricardo's absence was certainly felt in Bertie's second run.
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Post by The Barber on Aug 9, 2018 6:56:06 GMT -5
Worst chemistry? Perfect with Flair. It just didn't work for me at all. It should have been a brilliant combo but it felt like Hennig was in phoning mode and didn't want to be there. Best? Sherri and Shawn, Tammy and Chris, Heenan and Andre, Bearer and Taker/Kane It didn't help that Perfect had his Llyoyd's of London Insurance policy when he was managing Flair and couldn't take any bumps which hurt his effectiveness in a manager role. He would still interfere and attack Flair's opponents constantly but to me that just made him worse as the babyfaces could never hit him back and get their heat back so it just ended up making them look bad as a result. It was even worse with Rick Rude as he would just beat the crap out of guys and the wrestlers would have to just stand there and take it because they couldn't do anything. It just kind of made you wonder why Rude wasn't wrestling anymore since all of these top main event wrestlers were so helpless against him. Anyways for best I would say Honky Tonk/Jimmy Hart, Perfect/Heenan. Shawn/Sherri, and Demolition/Fuji. As far as worst goes Demolition/Johnny V comes to mind as Johnny V's goofball schtick didn't fit with at all. Switching them to Fuji was a good move as even though he wasn't a good manager it was a perfect for the team since he was a more dark and sinester character that was more compatible with them. It seemed like Slick had a lot of odd parings that didn't make much sense. Bossman, Rick Martel, and the Bolsheviks all come to mind. Oddly Slick, Bossman, and Akeem as trio worked really well though despite making no sense at all on paper. I think Slick was a replacement for Freddie Blassie, so that is why he got the Bolsheviks.
Best: Heenan/insert 'Heenan Family' member here. Jim Cornette/Midnight Express.
Worst: That Japanese guy with the Four Horsemen. Honky Tonk Man/Billy Gunn. Sunny/LOD.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 9, 2018 7:03:25 GMT -5
Michael Curtis McAxelcutty and Heyman was pretty crap.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 9, 2018 7:16:15 GMT -5
In terms of best: Bearer/Taker
Worst goes to Heyman (WWE only) and anyone other than Brock, which sucks, because he and Cesaro should have worked on paper.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Aug 9, 2018 8:00:30 GMT -5
What about Del Rio and Zeb Colter. That was the very definition of a fart in church.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Aug 9, 2018 10:27:24 GMT -5
In terms of best: Bearer/Taker Worst goes to Heyman (WWE only) and anyone other than Brock, which sucks, because he and Cesaro should have worked on paper. I remember liking him with C.M. Punk leading into The Shield coming to the E.
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Aug 9, 2018 10:52:43 GMT -5
Some of the best in recent years:
Miz and Maryse - Maryse just totally added that intangible that Miz lacked for years Del Rio and Ricardo - Once they were split, Del Rio never recovered The Primetime Players and AW - for the blink of an eye it was around, it really had potential to be a tremendous annoying heel team Rusev and Lana - pre-split, just a great pairing and a great love/hate heat magnets Zelina Vega and Andrade Cien Almas - see the Miz/Maryse note. same thing.
Worst: Paul Heyman and Curtis Axel, Cesaro, and Ryback - On paper this should have been homeruns, but they turned out blech. just blech. Heyman always works best with either monster type heels (Brock, The SST, Mean Mark Callous) or if he surrounds himself with awesome technical wrestlers who can already get heat in the ring by wrestling (The Dangerous Alliance, CM Punk). Rusev and Lana - anything and everything during the random out of nowhere split and everything after involving Dolph and Summer Rae. just painful.
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