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Post by Starshine on Feb 24, 2021 22:48:59 GMT -5
They actually brought the fanbase closer together Everyone agreed that the first two stunk Kids loved them, I'll grant them that. I know way too many 20-25 year-olds who still think the prequels were great. These people just know trade embargos are the hotness.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 25, 2021 3:39:08 GMT -5
Since defence of the storyline is pretty much impossible, I'm guessing that twenty something love for the prequels basically amounts to lightsabres.
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Post by ANuclearError on Feb 25, 2021 3:54:55 GMT -5
People who are now in their 20s will be the people who were kids when the prequels came out. For example, I was 11 when Return of the Sith was in cinemas, so pretty much the perfect age for the childhood nostalgia to set in. Granted, in my case, that didn't work and still think they're overall shit (though I'd say my main "controversial" take is probably that AotC is worse than TPM, and even then I suspect that's a common opinion).
Regarding Mandalorian hype, one of the big things to remember is that when Mandalorian was in production, it was in the middle of the big "Who's gonna be the next Game of Thrones?" when that was winding down, with the Witcher and Amazon's LotR series also dealing with that same hype being generated. I think that made it quite easy for some to be sceptical and think that Disney were too focused on chasing the GoT hype to forget to make a good show.
Overall I'm happy enough with the show, but I think it's leaned a bit too much on shout-outs and audience nudging to cover up thin characters (I was particularly unimpressed with the Season 2 finale due to this).
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 25, 2021 8:03:46 GMT -5
The music and art design of the Prequels are multiple levels above the acting/writing. The overall story was pretty good but holy shit did the dialog/pacing really muddy those waters.
When I say I like the prequels it's 88% because of the music and visuals. I'm also a firm believer that the music in A New Hope was a major factor in it's success.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 25, 2021 12:35:00 GMT -5
In all seriousness: Thrawn is a good fit for The Mandalorian in terms of the already existing canon. He was off conquering the uncharted territories during the events of the original films, right? The First Order developed in the uncharted territories. The First Order=the remnants of The Empire that Thrawn left behind when he returned to try to defeat the New Republic. Rebels series finale spoiler:
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Thrawn, Ezra Bridger, and a big chunk of his fleet got yeeted off to Parts Unknown by giant space whales and that happened like, just before the OT started. They've been MIA ever since. But a show like The Mandalorian would be a good place to reintroduce them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 14:12:42 GMT -5
I have to say, I've really been enjoying that Mandalorian comic book, as well as the series on DVD. ......
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 25, 2021 18:17:48 GMT -5
The music and art design of the Prequels are multiple levels above the acting/writing. The overall story was pretty good but holy shit did the dialog/pacing really muddy those waters. When I say I like the prequels it's 88% because of the music and visuals. I'm also a firm believer that the music in A New Hope was a major factor in it's success. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are the only two movies in the franchise that I never get the urge to sit down and watch JUST them. If I'm going on a marathon watch, then hells yes I'll watch them and enjoy them. Every other movie has a lot of standalone rewatch quality for me. That being said, yeah. I love the story they were trying to tell. The Sith had tried and failed to conquer the galaxy numerous times by force, so it makes sense to use political intrigue and manipulation to weasel their way into power. The Jedi and The Republic had grown to complacent and passive to realize what was happening until it was way too late, along with a way too dogmatic approach to The Force on the Jedi end, which of course leads to them pushing Anakin right into enemy hands. The execution leaves a lot to be desired, that I will never deny, but like I've said, Whole Greater Than The Sum of its Parts. And yes, the lightsaber fights were f***ing badges.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 25, 2021 18:35:39 GMT -5
The execution leaves a lot to be desired, that I will never deny, but like I've said, Whole Greater Than The Sum of its Parts. I like to sum it up as the Prequels are a good story told badly. Conversely I think the Sequels are a bad story told well (or, at least, adequately).
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Post by Chiral on Feb 25, 2021 18:40:30 GMT -5
I was a kid when the prequels came out and loved em then but definitely don't ascribe to the rabid "I NEED to tell everyone the prequels are great and the sequels are bad in every conversation online FOREVER," as I did really enjoy the sequels too, but I'm this bitch:
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 25, 2021 19:12:32 GMT -5
I was a kid when the prequels came out and loved em then but definitely don't ascribe to the rabid "I NEED to tell everyone the prequels are great and the sequels are bad in every conversation online FOREVER," as I did really enjoy the sequels too, but I'm this bitch: I'm 37, as old as Return of the Jedi. So I was in going school when TPM came out, 18 for Clones, and 20 for Sith. I loved them a bit more then than I do now, but I still love them. Sequels? They did suffer from having no singular vision. I loved TFA and I absolutely adore Last Jedi, but Rise of Skywalker suffers from Abrams forcing TLJ to veer back to what he wanted, rather than trying to compromise between his and Johnson's ideas. In the end though? I dug Skywalker, but it could have been a lot better. And at the end of the day, Empire is the only film in the franchise that probably couldn't be a lot better in hindsight.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2021 19:25:04 GMT -5
The execution leaves a lot to be desired, that I will never deny, but like I've said, Whole Greater Than The Sum of its Parts. I like to sum it up as the Prequels are a good story told badly. Conversely I think the Sequels are a bad story told well (or, at least, adequately). Yeah, that's what I've said a few times. There's a plot that follows from point a - point b - point c in the Prequel trilogy... but the dialogue is pretty universally awful and there's a lot of unnecessary junk inside of it... The Sequel Trilogy has overall pretty good dialogue and for the most parts the movies internally work... but... they go from point a blowing through like point b and ending up at point q... only to backtrack to point d...
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 25, 2021 20:01:10 GMT -5
I like to sum it up as the Prequels are a good story told badly. Conversely I think the Sequels are a bad story told well (or, at least, adequately). Yeah, that's what I've said a few times. There's a plot that follows from point a - point b - point c in the Prequel trilogy... but the dialogue is pretty universally awful and there's a lot of unnecessary junk inside of it... The Sequel Trilogy has overall pretty good dialogue and for the most parts the movies internally work... but... they go from point a blowing through like point b and ending up at point q... only to backtrack to point d... The prequels win because they make sense narratively. And the sequels don’t because of behind-the-scenes stupidity. It pains me to say that as someone who only likes the prequels cheekily.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 25, 2021 20:07:36 GMT -5
Even if the prequel movies themselves aren't as good as the OT, there's a lot of good stories to be told from that era. The Clone Wars series is proof alone of that.
I'm waiting for the show that takes place around the sequel era that does something similar. Resistance wasn't quite it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2021 20:08:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I've said a few times. There's a plot that follows from point a - point b - point c in the Prequel trilogy... but the dialogue is pretty universally awful and there's a lot of unnecessary junk inside of it... The Sequel Trilogy has overall pretty good dialogue and for the most parts the movies internally work... but... they go from point a blowing through like point b and ending up at point q... only to backtrack to point d... The prequels win because they make sense narratively. And the sequels don’t because of behind-the-scenes stupidity. It pains me to say that as someone who only likes the prequels cheekily. Personally, For me I'd rather watch any of the Sequels over any one of the Prequels...
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 25, 2021 20:08:35 GMT -5
The prequels win because they make sense narratively. And the sequels don’t because of behind-the-scenes stupidity. It pains me to say that as someone who only likes the prequels cheekily. Personally, For me I'd rather watch any of the Sequels over any one of the Prequels... Yeah. I’m in the same boat. Edit: actually correction: I’ll watch TFA and TLJ over the prequels. But I’ll watch the prequels over TROS.
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Post by eJm on Feb 25, 2021 20:09:21 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the show that takes place around the sequel era that does something similar. Resistance wasn't quite it. I'll take a show where Maz Kanata talks about her various adventures over the years. That'd be a fun one to do across both eras.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 25, 2021 20:14:54 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the show that takes place around the sequel era that does something similar. Resistance wasn't quite it. I'll take a show where Maz Kanata talks about her various adventures over the years. That'd be a fun one to do across both eras. Just have the show set in her cantina. CHEEEEEEEEEERS IIIIIIIIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!
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Post by eJm on Feb 25, 2021 20:18:27 GMT -5
I'll take a show where Maz Kanata talks about her various adventures over the years. That'd be a fun one to do across both eras. Just have the show set in her cantina. CHEEEEEEEEEERS IIIIIIIIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!! You know, that was my first thought and I thought it would be kind of dumb but pitching it as Cheers in Space has me coming back to it.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 25, 2021 20:35:19 GMT -5
Just have the show set in her cantina. CHEEEEEEEEEERS IIIIIIIIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!! You know, that was my first thought and I thought it would be kind of dumb but pitching it as Cheers in Space has me coming back to it. I've also been binging The Muppet Show so the name just stuck in my head.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 25, 2021 20:49:06 GMT -5
To get back to where we once belonged, someone on the Star Trek Shitposting group on Facebook posted a photoshop of DS9's Garak with Mando and crew, and I thought this comment was hilarious:
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