adamclark52
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 26, 2021 0:11:04 GMT -5
The prequels were 2/3rds bad (I love Revenge of the Sith) but they at least told a story that had every right to be told so they served a purpose
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Feb 26, 2021 1:12:43 GMT -5
I like to sum it up as the Prequels are a good story told badly. Conversely I think the Sequels are a bad story told well (or, at least, adequately). Yeah, that's what I've said a few times. There's a plot that follows from point a - point b - point c in the Prequel trilogy... but the dialogue is pretty universally awful and there's a lot of unnecessary junk inside of it... The Sequel Trilogy has overall pretty good dialogue and for the most parts the movies internally work... but... they go from point a blowing through like point b and ending up at point q... only to backtrack to point d... To put it super bluntly, the prequels are two horrendous movies and one decent blockbuster with a fantastic storyarch and world building, while the sequels are two decent blockbusters and one feverdream that are less of a trilogy and more of a loosely connected series of stories
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 26, 2021 3:26:16 GMT -5
The prequels are three movies telling a story badly.
The sequels are three movies competing with each other to tell a half dozen stories badly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 3:35:25 GMT -5
The way I set it is:
The prequels were a good idea made badly.
The sequels were a bad idea made well.
Though I thought that before Rise of Palpatine which is the worst of the 9 by a long stretch.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 26, 2021 3:52:36 GMT -5
The sequels were a bad idea as soon as they decided to undermine the rebel victory in Jedi by showing that even years after the victory they are STILL fighting the Empire (don't care what it's actually called, it's the Empire for all intents and purposes)
A better basis for Disney to base a trilogy on would have been to take Finn and Poe, the two most interesting characters from the sequels, and set the story of their developing friendship during the civil war, so that the trilogy takes place parallel to the OT.
There was no need for another light side vs dark side plot, or for Luke, Leia and Han to return at all.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 26, 2021 14:10:26 GMT -5
The sequels were a bad idea as soon as they decided to undermine the rebel victory in Jedi by showing that even years after the victory they are STILL fighting the Empire (don't care what it's actually called, it's the Empire for all intents and purposes) A better basis for Disney to base a trilogy on would have been to take Finn and Poe, the two most interesting characters from the sequels, and set the story of their developing friendship during the civil war, so that the trilogy takes place parallel to the OT. There was no need for another light side vs dark side plot, or for Luke, Leia and Han to return at all. But if they were left out, then people would bitch about them being left out.
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adamclark52
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 26, 2021 16:36:59 GMT -5
Luke, Leia and Han needed to be in them but it was one case where fan service was needed.
Han got done good, Leia got done wrong and Luke got done f***ed in the ass.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 26, 2021 17:08:00 GMT -5
The sequels were a bad idea as soon as they decided to undermine the rebel victory in Jedi by showing that even years after the victory they are STILL fighting the Empire (don't care what it's actually called, it's the Empire for all intents and purposes) A better basis for Disney to base a trilogy on would have been to take Finn and Poe, the two most interesting characters from the sequels, and set the story of their developing friendship during the civil war, so that the trilogy takes place parallel to the OT. There was no need for another light side vs dark side plot, or for Luke, Leia and Han to return at all. But if they were left out, then people would bitch about them being left out. Their story was over. Anyone wanting more of those characters could have just checked out the Expanded Universe. Plenty of material there, most of which was superior to what was presented in the sequels.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 26, 2021 17:12:05 GMT -5
I think we need a Skywalker Saga thread.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 26, 2021 17:44:19 GMT -5
The sequels were a bad idea as soon as they decided to undermine the rebel victory in Jedi by showing that even years after the victory they are STILL fighting the Empire (don't care what it's actually called, it's the Empire for all intents and purposes) A better basis for Disney to base a trilogy on would have been to take Finn and Poe, the two most interesting characters from the sequels, and set the story of their developing friendship during the civil war, so that the trilogy takes place parallel to the OT. There was no need for another light side vs dark side plot, or for Luke, Leia and Han to return at all. I think you could have done a decent story with them fighting a resurgent empire. Problem to me was that we never saw the new republic. We start the movie told that there is a republic out there but all we see is a rebellion fighting an empire. Just with new names. And then the republic is more or less wiped out without even being seen. A better movie would be something like the Thrawn trilogy with a republic that is having trouble keeping shit together fighting an empire remnant that without its vast reserves has to be creative.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 18:54:43 GMT -5
God maybe everyone needs to lighten up. I love star wars. My wall has a bunch of original star wars inspired art. I still play the x wing games. I still get lost in wookiepedia deep dives.
But the orig trig was 40 years ago. Just get over it a bit maybe.
I love star wars. But the fandom is unhealthy.
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 26, 2021 19:58:03 GMT -5
They could have easily done a movie without Luke, Leia and Han. And anyone in the fandom would have seen it multiple times. But the fandom is a small percentage of the general public. And the general public has no interest in an obscurely based Star Wars movie.
Gross from general public>>>>>>>>>>gross from fandom
Just the way it goes. Don’t be surprised to see someone or something from the OT in whatever movies come next, even if they’re set fifty years after Episode IX. Guaranteed R2-D2 at the least but probably the Millennium Falcon and something related to Vader. A very dusty melted helmet perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 7:55:09 GMT -5
Don’t be surprised to see someone or something from the OT in whatever movies come next, even if they’re set fifty years after Episode IX. Guaranteed R2-D2 at the least but probably the Millennium Falcon and something related to Vader. A very dusty melted helmet perhaps?Half buried on an asteroid floating where Kijimi used to be.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 1, 2021 10:24:41 GMT -5
The sequels were a bad idea as soon as they decided to undermine the rebel victory in Jedi by showing that even years after the victory they are STILL fighting the Empire (don't care what it's actually called, it's the Empire for all intents and purposes) A better basis for Disney to base a trilogy on would have been to take Finn and Poe, the two most interesting characters from the sequels, and set the story of their developing friendship during the civil war, so that the trilogy takes place parallel to the OT. There was no need for another light side vs dark side plot, or for Luke, Leia and Han to return at all. I think you could have done a decent story with them fighting a resurgent empire. Problem to me was that we never saw the new republic. We start the movie told that there is a republic out there but all we see is a rebellion fighting an empire. Just with new names. And then the republic is more or less wiped out without even being seen. A better movie would be something like the Thrawn trilogy with a republic that is having trouble keeping shit together fighting an empire remnant that without its vast reserves has to be creative. The worst part of it is that they're utterly terrible at explaining what's actually happening with the republic. At the end of the first movie the First Order come off like an upstart terrorist group that blew up a few planets. In the second movie suddenly they blew up the entire republic somehow and the resistance is suddenly a small band of freedom fighters. They really needed a Kevin Feige type to keep the narrative consistent. And that's not even getting into Deus Ex Palpatine in part 3. It also turns the death of Hux, whose canonically responsible for the biggest atrocity in the entire franchise into a dumb barely remembered joke.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 1, 2021 10:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 1, 2021 13:51:59 GMT -5
I think you could have done a decent story with them fighting a resurgent empire. Problem to me was that we never saw the new republic. We start the movie told that there is a republic out there but all we see is a rebellion fighting an empire. Just with new names. And then the republic is more or less wiped out without even being seen. A better movie would be something like the Thrawn trilogy with a republic that is having trouble keeping shit together fighting an empire remnant that without its vast reserves has to be creative. The worst part of it is that they're utterly terrible at explaining what's actually happening with the republic. At the end of the first movie the First Order come off like an upstart terrorist group that blew up a few planets. In the second movie suddenly they blew up the entire republic somehow and the resistance is suddenly a small band of freedom fighters. They really needed a Kevin Feige type to keep the narrative consistent. And that's not even getting into Deus Ex Palpatine in part 3. It also turns the death of Hux, whose canonically responsible for the biggest atrocity in the entire franchise into a dumb barely remembered joke. I mean the Starkiller base destroyed like the entire government in Force Awakens. That was a pretty major plot point.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 1, 2021 14:29:10 GMT -5
The worst part of it is that they're utterly terrible at explaining what's actually happening with the republic. At the end of the first movie the First Order come off like an upstart terrorist group that blew up a few planets. In the second movie suddenly they blew up the entire republic somehow and the resistance is suddenly a small band of freedom fighters. They really needed a Kevin Feige type to keep the narrative consistent. And that's not even getting into Deus Ex Palpatine in part 3. It also turns the death of Hux, whose canonically responsible for the biggest atrocity in the entire franchise into a dumb barely remembered joke. I mean the Starkiller base destroyed like the entire government in Force Awakens. That was a pretty major plot point. And it's barely even alluded to that's what happened. I experienced the worst whiplash at the beginning of The Last Jedi because of that. Also, way to make the entire original trilogy pointless if that was going to happen, guys.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2021 11:40:51 GMT -5
Not really a surprise for anybody even passingly familiar with Bill's show.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 3, 2021 11:52:56 GMT -5
Not really a surprise for anybody even passingly familiar with Bill's show. I like Bill Burr, but wasn't Gina warned about her social media behaviour several times? Any job even if it's not in the public eye, there is only so many times they can ask before they cut you loose
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 3, 2021 12:10:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I get where Bill Burr is coming from saying Gina's a nice person and by a lot of accounts, she is. But you can't act like what you post online doesn't matter when you're working for a global entertainment brand like Disney, especially when she was warned about it. It's not even an issue with "cancel culture"; she was told to stop, and she didn't.
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