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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 30, 2019 9:06:29 GMT -5
So I don't really get the writing of The Mandalorian himself. He's supposed to be this one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy, right? He's supposed to have advanced combat skills, yet he's constantly getting his ass handed to him. The alien he tried stealing the egg from was basically going to kill him until The Child stepped in. In this episode, Cara Dune is arguably more skilled then he is. So why exactly are we following this guy around? Not to mention he's pretty consistently making very iffy calls. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}There's too much attention on this small farming town, so he's going to leave, but he's going to leave The Child, who people are actually looking for, in this town that has all this attention on it? I mean...come on, man. Am I wrong here? God forbid a protagonist has flaws/has a bit of realism to them. Do you know how boring/dull this show would be to watch if Mando won every fight he was in with ease and made exactly the right decision every time with nothing going wrong? Primarily that’s the problem I have with the new trilogy. The main character hasn’t lost anything, and there’s no real threat. Same deal with hulk hogan. After awhile you don’t even care to see them.
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Post by Fade on Nov 30, 2019 10:58:50 GMT -5
That's fine if maybe it was something that was built up to and he finally met his match. He's talked up like he shouldn't have these flaws, though, when really stuff goes wrong on the regular for him. I'm just saying the things that are said about him and the reality of him seem like two different things to me. He's only really talked up as a great bounty hunter because he appears to always catch his target. That's a reputation based on results, rather than the method in which he gets those results. He's not the best gunfighter, he's not the best hand-to-game fighter, but he never lets that get in the way of bringing in his mark. Everything else is just based on the reputation of Mandalorians in general. Basically this. Also he mentions he was taken in by the Mandalorian, and excuse my ignorance, but that means he isn’t legitimately one right? I think that’s a lot of this character. Struggling with that identity but keeping up the facade. Case in point, what he did to IG-88, everything with the kid, seemingly considering settling down with Wintas Mother, etc.. I did think the fight was a bit too much (as spectacular as it looked) but I think a large part of that was not showing him beat the shit out of a woman..and also her past is brought up. And as for “word travels fast”, I think he was referring more to him and homegirls sticking out, not so much anyone taking notice of a baby yoda among children. Thing is he’s put himself in this pickle with the kid, and I’d buy him wanting to leave him there because it’s a better outcome (though not ideal) than whatever the f*** he’ll be doing. This guys eons away from Jango Fett. He’s a bit of a f*** up but he’s got spirit and resolve and I think that’s why I like Mando so much.
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Post by mattperiolat on Nov 30, 2019 12:14:20 GMT -5
I’m enjoying this so much it’s stupid. Come for Baby Yoda, stay for basically the rebirth of the Western.
I love the character flaws, development and growth. I love how we are not spoon fed, but allowed to see the story naturally grown. I just love everything about this and it’s Saturday morning appointment television for me.
Now, let’s get some merchandise out here, people!
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 30, 2019 12:34:55 GMT -5
He's only really talked up as a great bounty hunter because he appears to always catch his target. That's a reputation based on results, rather than the method in which he gets those results. He's not the best gunfighter, he's not the best hand-to-game fighter, but he never lets that get in the way of bringing in his mark. Everything else is just based on the reputation of Mandalorians in general. Basically this. Also he mentions he was taken in by the Mandalorian, and excuse my ignorance, but that means he isn’t legitimately one right? I think that’s a lot of this character. Struggling with that identity but keeping up the facade. Case in point, what he did to IG-88, everything with the kid, seemingly considering settling down with Wintas Mother, etc.. I dunno if this was put into the canon, but in Legends sources you can be adopted into a Mandalorian clan even if you weren't born in one. Like in SWTOR, the Bounty Hunter player character gets offered to be made a part of Clan Lok (the clan of the Mand'alor at the time) after becoming the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt. And in KOTOR2: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Mira was enslaved by Mandalorians after they killed her birth family, only to be adopted and made part of a Mandalorian clan after they taught her how to fight and hunt like a Mandalorian.
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 30, 2019 14:41:11 GMT -5
Loved the fourth episode, but goddamned if I couldn't see like 75 percent of it due to it being so dark. Hate when shows do night episodes!
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Post by The Spelunker! on Nov 30, 2019 16:19:32 GMT -5
Basically this. Also he mentions he was taken in by the Mandalorian, and excuse my ignorance, but that means he isn’t legitimately one right? I think that’s a lot of this character. Struggling with that identity but keeping up the facade. Case in point, what he did to IG-88, everything with the kid, seemingly considering settling down with Wintas Mother, etc.. I dunno if this was put into the canon, but in Legends sources you can be adopted into a Mandalorian clan even if you weren't born in one. Like in SWTOR, the Bounty Hunter player character gets offered to be made a part of Clan Lok (the clan of the Mand'alor at the time) after becoming the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt. And in KOTOR2: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Mira was enslaved by Mandalorians after they killed her birth family, only to be adopted and made part of a Mandalorian clan after they taught her how to fight and hunt like a Mandalorian. I figured as much from the first flashback they showed of his past. Also really helps explain his attachment to the child and why the rest of the Mandalorians were so willing to expose themselves to help him. He was a child who lost his parents and was adopted into Mandalorian culture, as were likely most of them. An orphan child needing help would ring home with him and the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 6:51:06 GMT -5
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 1, 2019 7:16:22 GMT -5
I hope he does, the petty side of me wants to see the unhinged idiots have a cry
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 1, 2019 7:37:12 GMT -5
He was told it’s already in production so it’s not going to happen.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 1, 2019 10:24:09 GMT -5
Loved the fourth episode, but goddamned if I couldn't see like 75 percent of it due to it being so dark. Hate when shows do night episodes! I thought it was ok. Dark enough to have the mood and such, but I didn't have a problem not seeing anything. Unlike that episode of GoT where I couldn't see a single thing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 1, 2019 11:25:08 GMT -5
He was told it’s already in production so it’s not going to happen. In another article he's quoted as visiting the set last month {Spoiler}and confirmed Baby Yoda was there, so we know he makes it to the second season, so I have my doubts about him being told it was already in production when he's already been to set. Still, he does admit he's not got time in his schedule to do an episode, so there's probably not much chance of it happening. Jon Favreau's directing an episode and Carl Weathers is directing at least one, and filming is scheduled to run until March. I figure Dave Filoni will direct another episode, but Deborah Chow's now working on the Obi-Wan series, Bryce Dallas Howard begins filming Jurassic World 3 next month, and Taika Waititi's deep into the development on Thor 4, so they're not going to be back.
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Post by Fade on Dec 1, 2019 12:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 1, 2019 12:33:20 GMT -5
Johnson is fine as a director. He just shouldn't be trusted as a writer.
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Post by Fade on Dec 1, 2019 13:09:00 GMT -5
He’s an incredible director. Nothing he’s directed has been directed bad.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 1, 2019 13:21:44 GMT -5
Yes, Star Wars fans, let's not get the director of the best episode of one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time to direct Disney's anchor IP show that is meant to attract attention to get more people to subscribe to a streaming service. If Favreau and company are able to produce an episode of The Mandalorian as good as Breaking Bad's "Fly," then okay, maybe then there's no need to get Rian Johnson involved. Until then, however, what a bunch of nerfherders.
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 1, 2019 13:37:28 GMT -5
Johnson is fine as a director. He just shouldn't be trusted as a writer. He’s an incredible director. Nothing he’s directed has been directed bad. Yes, Star Wars fans, let's not get the director of the best episode of one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time to direct Disney's anchor IP show that is meant to attract attention to get more people to subscribe to a streaming service. If Favreau and company are able to produce an episode of The Mandalorian as good as Breaking Bad's "Fly," then okay, maybe then there's no need to get Rian Johnson involved. Until then, however, what a bunch of nerfherders. I'll address all three of these in a single post. As long as Rian isn't put in any kind of creative control, I'm perfectly fine with him directing. He's shown to be amazing at taking an existing script and shooting it in a way that conveys the feelings needed properly. He's also shown to be fairly decent at writing as well, as long as it is his own original creation and not built on existing canon/lore. Brick, Looper, Knives Out, each of these are incredible movies on their own. Each of his television directorial outings? None of them have his writing credits on them, but they were presented incredibly. That said, I don't blame Star Wars fans for being apprehensive at his involvement since it is a second outing on something that has quite an extensive backstory to it. It's one of the most universally praised Star Wars properties in ages, and to introduce the element that many point at what caused the most divisive entry in the main movie series is definitely a daunting feat to accept.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 1, 2019 17:03:23 GMT -5
There was a Loth-cat in the last episode and that makes me very happy.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 1, 2019 17:15:02 GMT -5
Man, I would be so in for a Rian Johnson episode of The Mandalorian. Or hell, let Rian do an entire Star Wars series on D+, f*** I would be all over that
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 1, 2019 19:38:03 GMT -5
Directing a TV show episode is nothing like directing a movie. Kevin Smith has talked a lot about it when he's directed episodes of Arrowverse shows. The showrunners and writers are going to have a lot more say in the creative process than a director. The directors are there to well, direct.
So a Rian Johnson-directed episode of The Mandalorian would probably be fantastic because Rian's an amazing director.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 1, 2019 19:53:40 GMT -5
Directing a TV show episode is nothing like directing a movie. Kevin Smith has talked a lot about it when he's directed episodes of Arrowverse shows. The showrunners and writers are going to have a lot more say in the creative process than a director. The directors are there to well, direct. So a Rian Johnson-directed episode of The Mandalorian would probably be fantastic because Rian's an amazing director. In the case of this show, Bryce Dallas Howard has talked about how much freedom each of the directors have been given by Favreau to stamp their mark on each episode, as opposed to Smith's description of the Arrowverse shows, where he has limited input on things like shot composition. I'd definitely like to see a Johnson-directed episode. Hell, I'd love to see a George Lucas-directed episode... which may not be too far-fetched, given he was apparently a semi-regular presence on the set of season one. Given his real weakness is getting strong performances in dialogue, he'd be well-suited to a show as light on dialogue as this one.
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