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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 1, 2023 16:03:38 GMT -5
It set up quite a bit for future episodes and storylines but I thought it was pretty dull as an opening episode. It certainly wasn't anywhere near the level of the openers for the first two seasons, but I'll give it a pass. It set the table nicely. Plus I appreciate how the handled the Cara Dune situation with two lines of dialogue. No fuss, no dwelling, just "She's gone, how would you like her old job?"
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Post by Cyno on Mar 1, 2023 16:06:28 GMT -5
I'm now convinced the Armorer is the main villain here. At least for Din. She comes off like a cult leader who is using the "old ways" of Mandalore to manipulate and control people for her own power. Bo Katan called her faction of Mandolorians as such in Season 2. Some people were trying to say that was a possible skewed perspective, but given she was in Death Watch, I always thought that view had some valid points. Especially what we've known of the canon Mandolorians from Clone Wars and Rebels.
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Post by eJm on Mar 1, 2023 16:08:09 GMT -5
Plus I appreciate how the handled the Cara Dune situation with two lines of dialogue. No fuss, no dwelling, just "She's gone, how would you like her old job?" It wasn’t even just that, it basically left that spin off that was teased at the end of Season Two where she lead a special forces team on the table when, considering the timeframe Faverea said about the show, it would have been easier to just say she died in the line of duty months ago and ended like that. Like, I don’t expect both sides to come back together for a while, potentially ever considering, but it was interesting that it feels like it could realistically happen.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 1, 2023 16:20:03 GMT -5
It wasn’t even just that, it basically left that spin off that was teased at the end of Season Two where she lead a special forces team on the table when, considering the timeframe Faverea said about the show, it would have been easier to just say she died in the line of duty months ago and ended like that. Like, I don’t expect both sides to come back together for a while, potentially ever considering, but it was interesting that it feels like it could realistically happen. I could see it being revived as an animated show. Makes recasting easier without having to find someone who's a physical match for Carano.
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Post by eJm on Mar 1, 2023 16:25:12 GMT -5
I could see it being revived as an animated show. Makes recasting easier without having to find someone who's a physical match for Carano. That makes sense too, especially considering Bad Batch is doing well for Disney+, having it in that same style would suit the side universe. We’ll just have to see. Stranger things have happened with this stuff, it was just interesting that it was basically left on the table.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 1, 2023 16:25:19 GMT -5
Bo-Katan's chastising of Din's "cult" was so rich coming from her. What exactly would she call the group that fought her own sister's reforms and gave all their power to Darth Maul?
"We're all trying to find the person responsible for this!"
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 1, 2023 23:15:16 GMT -5
This... wasn't good. It wasn't *bad*, but by no means was it *good*, either. And that's not even thinking about the show with my Andor glasses on.
On a lighter note, if you Google "Mandalorian," does anyone get a weird pop-up? Has that always been a thing?
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 1, 2023 23:31:41 GMT -5
This... wasn't good. It wasn't *bad*, but by no means was it *good*, either. And that's not even thinking about the show with my Andor glasses on. On a lighter note, if you Google "Mandalorian," does anyone get a weird pop-up? Has that always been a thing? Didn't you get Grogu in the corner of your screen? If you Google "the Mandalorian" in a browser or on mobile, Grogu should pop-up. Tap Grogu and see what he does
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 2, 2023 0:10:13 GMT -5
This... wasn't good. It wasn't *bad*, but by no means was it *good*, either. And that's not even thinking about the show with my Andor glasses on. On a lighter note, if you Google "Mandalorian," does anyone get a weird pop-up? Has that always been a thing? Didn't you get Grogu in the corner of your screen? If you Google "the Mandalorian" in a browser or on mobile, Grogu should pop-up. Tap Grogu and see what he does I guess this was always a thing and I didn't know about it. I'm just really bummed about this episode. 17 episodes in and this is the exact kind of thing one would expect a Star Wars show to be, like it's a Star Wars story generator ad lib. (small group of people/species) encounter (giant monster). Include passing reference to (some idea/alien/character from other property). Lead character (goes on fetch quest) and encounters (funny droids) and (random aliens). Trouble brews when (generic antagonists) mouth off to lead character. Lead character (engages in shootout). (Space battle) takes place (in an asteroid field). And this seems like exactly the kind of show many Star Wars fans want every week. Yes, the episode is a table-setting episode, but that can still be engaging when it comes to character or dialogue or style or shot composition or whatever. The first episodes of each arc of Andor are the weakest of the whole show, but they're still rock-solid and meaty AF. Whereas I left "The Apostate" thinking that the music was the best thing about it, although I also enjoyed the physical comedy of Mando occupying somebody's workspace. Today I also had the thought that people rate Mando so highly because it came on the heels of a movie, The Rise of Skywalker, that, paradoxically, united the fandom that was previous split over the last main trilogy installment, The Last Jedi. The recency bias of TROS sucking so much made Mando look so much better in comparison. Like, Season 1 is very fun, but there's not much there to chew on. Its simplicity is both an advantage in the context of just one season, if only the show was a one season-and-done story, but a hindrance if it's meant to be a foundation for future stories. And the longer the show goes on, the simplicity starts to reveal that the underlying creative structure of the show is wafer-thin. At the end of "The Apostate," what came to mind was the realization that Mandalorian politics, for example, is not really interesting to watch as it happens. It worked much better when left up to one's imagination. It wasn't exactly riveting stuff on The Clone Wars (still working my way through this show, so maybe I'm wrong), and it was serviceable but not exceptional on Rebels. But Season 3 is going to be all about this this kind of thing. Is this The Way?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2023 0:27:44 GMT -5
Didn't you get Grogu in the corner of your screen? If you Google "the Mandalorian" in a browser or on mobile, Grogu should pop-up. Tap Grogu and see what he does I guess this was always a thing and I didn't know about it. Google tends to do stuff like this for culturally relevant things. This little easter egg will probably be up for a day or two.
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Post by dablueboy on Mar 2, 2023 4:57:34 GMT -5
Ok that Google thing with Grogu is super fun and adorable
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Post by ToyfareMark on Mar 2, 2023 7:29:38 GMT -5
The beginning of the episode made me happy because when it started I was thinking please not another flashback. So they got me, in a good way.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2023 16:12:04 GMT -5
It seems the hot new trend on Twitter and Reddit is using Andor as a stick to beat The Mandalorian with.
Andor is prestige TV with a coat of Star Wars paint, The Mandalorian embraces Star Wars' pulp serial roots. Saying "Andor is what all Star Wars should aspire to" completely misses the point of what Star Wars and Andor are. Andor is a fantastic show, but part of what makes it so good is how it sets itself apart from everything else in the franchise.
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 2, 2023 18:29:43 GMT -5
It seems the hot new trend on Twitter and Reddit is using Andor as a stick to beat The Mandalorian with. Andor is prestige TV with a coat of Star Wars paint, The Mandalorian embraces Star Wars' pulp serial roots. Saying "Andor is what all Star Wars should aspire to" completely misses the point of what Star Wars and Andor are. Andor is a fantastic show, but part of what makes it so good is how it sets itself apart from everything else in the franchise. It's very similar to some MCU discourse I've seen which comes down to them wanting e wry movie to be on the same level as Infinity War or Endgame. Not every Star Wars project should be Andor. Not every MCU project should be Endgame.
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Post by prettynami on Mar 2, 2023 18:44:25 GMT -5
S3E1 was very middle of the road. It felt like it was treading water for no reason. The part with the droid and the people trying to fix it felt like nothing but a shoehorned reference to the sequel trilogy. The bulk of the meeting with the forgemaster felt like a pointless rehashing over what we already knew Mando was going to do and why. It really feels like they have to tighten the dialogue so that what people are saying has more bearing.... This show doesn't have a massive amount of screen time to move the plot, so when you rehash stuff for no reason it makes me scratch my head and in that regard it felt like an episode of Rebels... lolol. I still don't like how quickly they undid Grogu going with Luke.
I did like the pirates though, some nice flavor villians (and their ships were really cool looking) we could see again and Apollo Creed is as always a lot of fun (Though I do wonder if they could have thrown in some throwaway dialogue that would do a bit better in explaining how Navaro has progressed THAT much or maybe a fair bit of time has advanced? I DONT KNOW!!! lol). There are a good number of avenues to take the story which is really nice, keeps me on my toes since I avoid spoilers.
I'm looking forward to the next episode because if it holds course to my feelings on the bulk of this show its general one meh episode followed by a good to great one and back and fourth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 20:40:57 GMT -5
I watched it, and I didn't hate it, but it sort of felt like not much happened.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 3, 2023 1:37:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's all a matter of people who like Andor tearing down The Mandalorian to raise Andor up. I see it as people who like Andor looking at The Mandalorian and wondering how can The Mandalorian be better than what it is when it had so much potential. Scenes like this or that are the exceptions and most definitely not the rule that the show, especially in the second season, has repeated again, again, and again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2023 2:20:07 GMT -5
I don't think it's all a matter of people who like Andor tearing down The Mandalorian to raise Andor up. There are a few, but there's more than enough "Andor is for grownups, Mandalorian is for babies and manchildren" hot takes to drown them out, and those are the ones getting the most traction.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 3, 2023 3:38:38 GMT -5
It seems the hot new trend on Twitter and Reddit is using Andor as a stick to beat The Mandalorian with. Andor is prestige TV with a coat of Star Wars paint, The Mandalorian embraces Star Wars' pulp serial roots. Saying "Andor is what all Star Wars should aspire to" completely misses the point of what Star Wars and Andor are. Andor is a fantastic show, but part of what makes it so good is how it sets itself apart from everything else in the franchise. Comparing any Star Wars TV show to Andor is like trying to compare any Star Wars movie to Empire Strikes Back. If that's your standard, nothing will ever be satisfying. Not saying you shouldn't expect more out of TV Shows but, Andor is such a high bar for any TV show to clear. Star Wars or no.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2023 3:50:55 GMT -5
Comparing any Star Wars TV show to Andor is like trying to compare any Star Wars movie to Empire Strikes Back. If that's your standard, nothing will ever be satisfying. Not saying you shouldn't expect more out of TV Shows but, Andor is such a high bar for any TV show to clear. Star Wars or no. I saw somebody hamfistedly say criticising Mando for not being more like Andor is like criticising Raiders of the Lost Ark for not being more like Band of Brothers. Both involve fighting Nazis but they're completely different beasts. Mando definitely has a few issues with writing and Dave Filoni's insistence on bringing every character and concept he created for Clone Wars into live action, but it's a fun, campy space western, not a cerebral deep dive on the mundane evil of systemic oppression and the hope of freedom in the face of fascism.
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