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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 1:30:30 GMT -5
This is gaining traction quickly.
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Post by Tenshigure on Oct 15, 2018 1:33:01 GMT -5
"Pull the plug on it and be more careful who you jump in bed with the next time,” one veteran ex-WWE wrestler told PWTorch tonight when asked what WWE should do now considering the growing controversy surrounding their affiliation with Saudi Arabia." Totally read that quote from the link in Bret's grumpy voice. This is obviously Hogan; he knows a thing or two about jumping in the wrong beds, after all. *** Also just to add: yeah, John Oliver is this generations' Jon Stewart (man does that statement make me feel old). The people who are watching can and will become a force to be reckoned with. The full segment in case anyone was interested (warning, language): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDPIyiszoo
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 15, 2018 2:08:04 GMT -5
Sometimes... I really wonder if being a fan of this company is worth it. Like...I stay watching and paying because as much as I really at this point loathe Vince himself...a lot of the time I can ignore that in favor of the love I have for the people who work for him. Then sometimes it becomes glaringly obvious what a piece of trash Vince is and I just...don't know what to do. Speaking for myself, I know we live in more socially active times than ever, and the vast majority of us want to see good people get their fair shakes, to see bad people brought to account for their misdoings, to see businesses we support financially act out proper moral responsibility and to see those businesses who don't not to succeed until they do. But... how far can the individual go in trying to act out these goals before it becomes too much of a burden for one to live practically? And that only grows exponentially when someone has a family to take care of like you do. Like, WWE's one of the easiest ones to cancel out on the personal level. That's as simple as cancelling a subscription, not going to shows, not buying merch and changing the channel on the TV. But then you have the food on your table, the fuel in your car, the clothes on your back... It's a deep rabbit hole when you look into the origins of some of those, and it'd probably make you want to not support those businesses either. It's hard. Nobody wants to see their hard-earned money go towards a company that, while they may not necessarily approve of whatever's going on with Saudi Arabia, are at least willing to look the other way on it enough for the sake of business. It just comes down to how much you can disassociate yourself from the negatives of the situation.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 15, 2018 2:09:25 GMT -5
It'll be very interesting to see how their tone changes for promoting this show tonight on Raw. Have to wonder how the fans will respond, and if they'll downplay the actual location.
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 2:19:07 GMT -5
I would pay to be a fly on the at today's Raw production meeting. I can't even fathom the clusterf*** that's going to be. As much as SDL matters...the big guns(with the exception of AJ Styles, DB, and Miz) are on Raw. Like I said earlier if The Shield walks in and says they ain't going...or Cena says HE ain't going... tomorrow is gonna be a mess in WWE.
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 2:31:33 GMT -5
Roman: Vince. I've made my decision. You'll have to do the PPV without me.
Vince: Really? I was gonna find a way to squeeze you into Evolution but alright pal.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 15, 2018 2:41:19 GMT -5
"Pull the plug on it and be more careful who you jump in bed with the next time,” one veteran ex-WWE wrestler told PWTorch tonight when asked what WWE should do now considering the growing controversy surrounding their affiliation with Saudi Arabia." Totally read that quote from the link in Bret's grumpy voice. This is obviously Hogan; he knows a thing or two about jumping in the wrong beds, after all. *** Also just to add: yeah, John Oliver is this generations' Jon Stewart (man does that statement make me feel old). The people who are watching can and will become a force to be reckoned with. The full segment in case anyone was interested (warning, language): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDPIyiszooMan, I'd love to see Cena try to do his usual P.R. bullshit out of this one.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 15, 2018 2:45:58 GMT -5
I cannot wait for the behind the scenes goings on of Raw and Smackdown to leak. It must be absolute chaos. Like, you just know more than a few big names must've been like "Yeah, there is no way in hell I'm doing this show".
Just like they often do, WWE has blundered ass-backwards into controversy. They don't have the best track record with getting themselves *out* of it. And this time, said controversy is already international news.
I've heard some speculation that they'll just kind of downplay the name and location of the event. But I cannot imagine that their deal with the Saudi government would allow for that. There were probably at least a *few* terms and conditions built into that insanely large multi-year contract designed to promote the country that requires WWE to, you know, *promote the country*.
What a cluster this is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 2:50:41 GMT -5
For years we've wondered what type of scandal it would take for Vince's skeletons to be shown to the world. He's dodged a lot of stuff in today's times, things that have taken others down but this one? This might be the one to start a chain reaction. Best he can do is back out, keep his head down and move on because if he goes through with it then everybody in that company will be hurt, hell, maybe the entire wrestling industry given WWE holds a huge spot.
This is just, wow. I haven't been interested in a WWE backstage story this huge since Punk quitting.
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Post by mrtuesday on Oct 15, 2018 3:25:18 GMT -5
I wonder how this will affect Vince's plan to bring back the XFL.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 15, 2018 3:25:44 GMT -5
"Pull the plug on it and be more careful who you jump in bed with the next time,” one veteran ex-WWE wrestler told PWTorch tonight when asked what WWE should do now considering the growing controversy surrounding their affiliation with Saudi Arabia." Totally read that quote from the link in Bret's grumpy voice. This is obviously Hogan; he knows a thing or two about jumping in the wrong beds, after all. *** Also just to add: yeah, John Oliver is this generations' Jon Stewart (man does that statement make me feel old). The people who are watching can and will become a force to be reckoned with. The full segment in case anyone was interested (warning, language): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDPIyiszooThanks for sharing this, and wow is this horrifying. I'd suggest everyone watch the whole thing, not just the WWE segments.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Oct 15, 2018 3:40:53 GMT -5
I always thought if the company could survive the Benoit tragedy, they could survive anything,
But this has potential to grow, this might not go away as easy as other things in the past.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 15, 2018 3:40:56 GMT -5
It’s been said that Columbus set out to find a new trade route to avoid the Middle East. A time when many people believed the earth was flat. Columbus would rather risk falling off the edge of the earth than dealing with that area. Columbus knew better in 1492.
Vince is all about the money. He knows the Saudis are total marks for the WWE and they’re already paying the big bucks for them. Nothing is going to happen to any of them while they’re visiting. Safety won’t be an issue. If anything they might have heightened security for the roster while they’re over there. As far as the bad press goes, Vince won’t care. The money they’ll all make from this is enough for them to ignore it. News constantly gets buried for the next story. People can say it won’t go away but it will. WWE can treat this like a tribute to the troops show. Keep in quiet and make it available to watch much later when things have cooled down. Not enough people are going to stop watching WWE over this to make a difference. People grandstand like this all the time but they keep watching the product. If wrestlers that go are questioned later by the media they can say there are so many great fans over there that wanted to see them perform that they didn’t want to let them down. They can easily spin it to make themselves look good in the situation.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Oct 15, 2018 4:09:28 GMT -5
How will WWE respond?
The way they always do. They will get some enhancement talent, dress him up as John Oliver, bring him out on Raw to some painfully unfunny McMahon written schtick, have him get destroyed by Braun or someone similar.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 4:43:08 GMT -5
If wrestlers that go are questioned later by the media they can say there are so many great fans over there that wanted to see them perform that they didn’t want to let them down. They can easily spin it to make themselves look good in the situation. So I wanted to take this quote in particular because this misses the context of why this is different from other situations. This isn’t a show where they’re testing something in another country for said country’s fans. Said country’s fans genuinely aren’t important here. This is a government of a country asking a company in another country to cater to their needs for a sum large enough to make WrestleMania look like a house show. “But eJm” you might ask “What about that time Beyoncé performed in front of Ghaddafi? Or the other times people performed in front of dictators?” And you know what, those are bad too. On the flip side of that, they never signed a 10 year long deal worth a literal billion dollars where they had to spend most of the performance talking about how progressive a country is to thousands of others watching at home. None of that makes it right, no, but they also realised they can take the money, get the hell out of dodge and never do it again. And yes, not enough people’ll leave to make a difference, no. The reason that is, though, is that loads of people have already left over the past 10 years. House shows are down, ratings are down and the only time the wrestling public seems to care highly is WrestleMania time and part of that isn’t even just WM anymore. Network numbers have yet to crack 2 Million after Vince came out years ago and said that was inevitable. These TV deals are keeping the company alive and the deal with KSA helps them turn a much bigger profit than they were even this year. And again, the Saudi fans might as well not show up because their place in this deal barely matters. It’s them having a platform to make Saudi Arabia look good. Do I think WWE will go through with the show? Honestly, absolutely. With obvious reasons, the government seems fine with it so they’re probably going to go through it. Will WWE be allowed to blow this off like others in the past? Most certainly not. They have a women’s show coming up that’s coming right before it, the details of this case are still coming in and there’s still repercussions on this that haven’t even started affecting things yet that it feels like things are just starting. To just say this is typical grandstanding is just ignoring the bigger picture of this. This isn’t Benoit, the media can’t just say “Well, wrestlers take steroids and hit themselves on the head a lot, this is just inevitable” and move on.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 15, 2018 4:49:43 GMT -5
Obviously this situation is f***ed up and dangerous etc and I'm not on WWE's side but John Oliver still couldn't resist a "LOL WRESTLING IS GAY" joke eh. Come on bro.
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Post by Flo360 on Oct 15, 2018 4:54:17 GMT -5
Obviously this situation is f***ed up and dangerous etc and I'm not on WWE's side but John Oliver still couldn't resist a "LOL WRESTLING IS GAY" joke eh. Come on bro. He said it is overtly Homoerotic. Which it is!
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Post by MAGGLE on Oct 15, 2018 5:10:43 GMT -5
This is gaining traction quickly. Vince is so done lol, surreal.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 15, 2018 5:23:17 GMT -5
If wrestlers that go are questioned later by the media they can say there are so many great fans over there that wanted to see them perform that they didn’t want to let them down. They can easily spin it to make themselves look good in the situation. So I wanted to take this quote in particular because this misses the context of why this is different from other situations. This isn’t a show where they’re testing something in another country for said country’s fans. Said country’s fans genuinely aren’t important here. This is a government of a country asking a company in another country to cater to their needs for a sum large enough to make WrestleMania look like a house show. “But eJm” you might ask “What about that time Beyoncé performed in front of Ghaddafi? Or the other times people performed in front of dictators?” And you know what, those are bad too. On the flip side of that, they never signed a 10 year long deal worth a literal billion dollars where they had to spend most of the performance talking about how progressive a country is to thousands of others watching at home. None of that makes it right, no, but they also realised they can take the money, get the hell out of dodge and never do it again. And yes, not enough people’ll leave to make a difference, no. The reason that is, though, is that loads of people have already left over the past 10 years. House shows are down, ratings are down and the only time the wrestling public seems to care highly is WrestleMania time and part of that isn’t even just WM anymore. Network numbers have yet to crack 2 Million after Vince came out years ago and said that was inevitable. These TV deals are keeping the company alive and the deal with KSA helps them turn a much bigger profit than they were even this year. And again, the Saudi fans might as well not show up because their place in this deal barely matters. It’s them having a platform to make Saudi Arabia look good. Do I think WWE will go through with the show? Honestly, absolutely. With obvious reasons, the government seems fine with it so they’re probably going to go through it. Will WWE be allowed to blow this off like others in the past? Most certainly not. They have a women’s show coming up that’s coming right before it, the details of this case are still coming in and there’s still repercussions on this that haven’t even started affecting things yet that it feels like things are just starting. To just say this is typical grandstanding is just ignoring the bigger picture of this. This isn’t Benoit, the media can’t just say “Well, wrestlers take steroids and hit themselves on the head a lot, this is just inevitable” and move on. You missed the key word in quoting me. The word spin. Whether WWE or the wrestlers actually care about the fans over there or not is irrelevant. That WWE can make themselves look noble in the media by going to entertain them is the point. The obvious reason for the ten year deal is a large and continuous flow of income. The backlash about women not being allowed to perform there didn’t slow WWE down and this probably won’t either. If people stop watching WWE it’s because they don’t enjoy it anymore. It usually doesn’t take some controversy to end their fandom. I cancelled the network years ago. I haven’t gone to a live WWE show in over a decade. I’m just a casual fan at this point. I don’t give WWE any of my money. Not because of any scandal or storyline or whatever. I’m just not entertained enough to care about the product anymore. Most wrestling fans will continue to watch because it’s free and it’s the biggest company out there. It’s going to take a lot more than this situation to change that.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 5:47:44 GMT -5
You missed the key word in quoting me. The word spin. Whether WWE or the wrestlers actually care about the fans over there or not is irrelevant. That WWE can make themselves look noble in the media by going to entertain them is the point. Oh no, I got your point. But this isn’t your normal typical situation. WWE isn’t going to say “We’re going to Australia because we saw New Japan’s made a killing and we want to snuff that out quickly with our bigger product”, they’re going to say what you said. But the key difference between Super Show-Down and Crown Jewel is the Australian government isn’t trying to avoid answering questions about a journalist that’s gone missing after going into an embassy in another country and never coming out nor is that same government paying the WWE to talk about how progressive and great their government and cities are in long segments instead of simple tourism ads paid by the tourism council as how these things usually work. And if these shows were designed to get fans in and it’s obvious to build that market, that spin would be acceptable. Now that the details are mostly there for the world to see, though? That won’t fly. And if you’re saying this would have been called out long ago with women performing, you have my agreement. This is a different damn situation now.
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