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Post by 111111 on Oct 15, 2018 5:49:41 GMT -5
I'll have to catch John Oliver when it goes online tonight (doesn't air in the UK until Mondays and then goes on demand afterwards).
It's quite interesting that sky show last week tonight over here and theyre also a major partner of WWE (they have television rights in most major European countries) not to mention the company is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Then again if Fox news are happy to criticize WWE over this I don't see why Sky Atlantic would any different.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 5:54:02 GMT -5
I'll have to catch John Oliver when it goes online tonight (doesn't air in the UK until Mondays and then goes on demand afterwards). You don’t even need to do that. youtu.be/ViDPIyiszooThe official Last Week account usually puts the main topic videos globally besides a few exception for free on YouTube a bit after they go up. I’m not embedding since there is footage.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 15, 2018 6:32:41 GMT -5
If the contract is air-tight, Vince is probably done, Linda is probably done, and the company likely goes under.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 15, 2018 6:41:39 GMT -5
I'll have to catch John Oliver when it goes online tonight (doesn't air in the UK until Mondays and then goes on demand afterwards). You don’t even need to do that. youtu.be/ViDPIyiszooThe official Last Week account usually puts the main topic videos globally besides a few exception for free on YouTube a bit after they go up. I’m not embedding since there is footage. Region blocked in Canada.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 6:51:54 GMT -5
You don’t even need to do that. youtu.be/ViDPIyiszooThe official Last Week account usually puts the main topic videos globally besides a few exception for free on YouTube a bit after they go up. I’m not embedding since there is footage. Region blocked in Canada. Weird. Sometimes it’s Region Blocked in places for a week because of distribution so maybe that’s the case?
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 15, 2018 7:05:29 GMT -5
Well, if it's any indication, they've added two more World Cup matches tonight. McIntyre VS Rollins and Ambrose vs Ziggler. Just like to note that will mean at least 5 out of 8 people in this "WORLD CUP" are American. www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-10-15
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 15, 2018 7:07:44 GMT -5
Best guess:
The show goes on as planned. They'll probably cut back on as much of the overt promotion as they're contractually allowed. Most of the card is unchanged, but possibly with a few substitutions. Most of the talent will just go along with it. Those who hold out will probably be threatened with having a push killed if they don't play ball.
With Kane being the newly elected southern county mayor, I wouldn't put it past him to beg off the event, but even that's a long shot.
WWE fans by and large don't care. We've forgiven the company for major stuff before. Hell, there are plenty of fans who simply don't understand why Chris Benoit isn't in the Hall of Fame. Unless it turns out that somebody in WWE actively participated in the murder of the journalist (which, let's face it, wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen in this business) I think this will all blow over for them pretty quick.
*Unless* their sponsors like Mattel and 2K apply pressure, WWE won't lose as much as they stand to gain from this deal.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 15, 2018 7:15:37 GMT -5
Best guess: The show goes on as planned. They'll probably cut back on as much of the overt promotion as they're contractually allowed. Most of the card is unchanged, but possibly with a few substitutions. Most of the talent will just go along with it. Those who hold out will probably be threatened with having a push killed if they don't play ball. With Kane being the newly elected southern county mayor, I wouldn't put it past him to beg off the event, but even that's a long shot. WWE fans by and large don't care. We've forgiven the company for major stuff before. Hell, there are plenty of fans who simply don't understand why Chris Benoit isn't in the Hall of Fame. Unless it turns out that somebody in WWE actively participated in the murder of the journalist (which, let's face it, wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen in this business) I think this will all blow over for them pretty quick. *Unless* their sponsors like Mattel and 2K apply pressure, WWE won't lose as much as they stand to gain from this deal. One wonders if the details of that contract ever get leaked (and under which country's law was it made)...
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Post by clifford on Oct 15, 2018 7:16:03 GMT -5
Well, if it's any indication, they've added two more World Cup matches tonight. McIntyre VS Rollins and Ambrose vs Ziggler. Just like to note that will mean at least 5 out of 8 people in this "WORLD CUP" are American. www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-10-15I think this actually upsets me more than the whole political blow back.
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 7:32:33 GMT -5
Obviously this situation is f***ed up and dangerous etc and I'm not on WWE's side but John Oliver still couldn't resist a "LOL WRESTLING IS GAY" joke eh. Come on bro. John Oliver isn't funny. But the sob's bits do gain traction.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 15, 2018 7:44:01 GMT -5
Obviously this situation is f***ed up and dangerous etc and I'm not on WWE's side but John Oliver still couldn't resist a "LOL WRESTLING IS GAY" joke eh. Come on bro. He said it is overtly Homoerotic. Which it is! And when John Oliver said that (and it's 100 percent truth), the picture in the left hand corner was that of AJ Styles with his head between the thighs of Shinsuke Nakamura. Brilliant.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 15, 2018 7:46:45 GMT -5
How will WWE respond? The way they always do. They will get some enhancement talent, dress him up as John Oliver, bring him out on Raw to some painfully unfunny McMahon written schtick, have him get destroyed by Braun or someone similar. Probably unwise, since feeding John Oliver's fire will lead him to do a piece, "Let's Talk About WWE and Independent Contractors"...
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 15, 2018 7:52:11 GMT -5
Best thread in years.
One day it will come out, because now the Saudi stuff will be a hot potato. In other facets. How long can they hide the royal NDA and contract? What if it comes up in a laundering case during discovery? This is now national news and could stay big for years, beyond the dead journalist.
I think Vince's best option is hire back Russo and write a storyline where Vince can yell "IT WAS IRAN THE WHOLE TIME AUSTIN".
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 15, 2018 8:01:44 GMT -5
He said it is overtly Homoerotic. Which it is! And when John Oliver said that (and it's 100 percent truth), the picture in the left hand corner was that of AJ Styles with his head between the thighs of Shinsuke Nakamura. Brilliant. Yeah. It'd be *really* hard to argue that pro-wrestling isn't overtly homoerotic. I mean, even if you're straight as an arrow, arguing otherwise is just silly. And, also yeah, going after Oliver for this absolutely invites him to do an entire bit on "independent contractors" as well as the abysmal labor conditions that WWE talent operate under. Those are the kinds of things that the company has gotten away with forever because most legislators don't want to concern themselves with "carny bull****". But shining a spotlight on it could change things like that real quick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:02:27 GMT -5
Best guess: The show goes on as planned. They'll probably cut back on as much of the overt promotion as they're contractually allowed. Most of the card is unchanged, but possibly with a few substitutions. Most of the talent will just go along with it. Those who hold out will probably be threatened with having a push killed if they don't play ball. With Kane being the newly elected southern county mayor, I wouldn't put it past him to beg off the event, but even that's a long shot. WWE fans by and large don't care. We've forgiven the company for major stuff before. Hell, there are plenty of fans who simply don't understand why Chris Benoit isn't in the Hall of Fame. Unless it turns out that somebody in WWE actively participated in the murder of the journalist (which, let's face it, wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen in this business) I think this will all blow over for them pretty quick. *Unless* their sponsors like Mattel and 2K apply pressure, WWE won't lose as much as they stand to gain from this deal. Pretty much this. Let's not kid ourselves if you think WWE is going to pull out. I doubt WWE, thier sponsors(especially Snickers), shareholders, etc...cares about what happened. They all care about the money.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 8:03:42 GMT -5
I like this thread. Instead of people sniping at one another, we get reasonable discussion about a highly-sensitive topic. Well done, everyone.
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 8:04:25 GMT -5
Best guess: The show goes on as planned. They'll probably cut back on as much of the overt promotion as they're contractually allowed. Most of the card is unchanged, but possibly with a few substitutions. Most of the talent will just go along with it. Those who hold out will probably be threatened with having a push killed if they don't play ball. With Kane being the newly elected southern county mayor, I wouldn't put it past him to beg off the event, but even that's a long shot. WWE fans by and large don't care. We've forgiven the company for major stuff before. Hell, there are plenty of fans who simply don't understand why Chris Benoit isn't in the Hall of Fame. Unless it turns out that somebody in WWE actively participated in the murder of the journalist (which, let's face it, wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen in this business) I think this will all blow over for them pretty quick. *Unless* their sponsors like Mattel and 2K apply pressure, WWE won't lose as much as they stand to gain from this deal. Yeah. This shit is happening. Even the latest from Meltzer states that unless given a major external order, this show Is happening. And even sans that, the bottom-dollar begets it. It's a lot of money. Don't get me wrong, I said it pages ago. This is f***in gross. And disgusting. And people probably already have cancelled their network subscriptions over it. But this shit is gonna happen. WWE isn't gonna shut down. It's just a really, really bad look. Particularly if they're forced to air the propaganda videos. Oh and they need to keep Graves off Twitter and off the sauce.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 15, 2018 8:14:20 GMT -5
This whole debacle reminds me when last month our national news channel showed North Korean propaganda.
I wish people talked about it half as much as everyone is about this.
Honestly the only thing that matter for the company is "Does the amount of money we gain from this make up for the lost money from the public?" and short term yes.But it will probably be a long term disaster
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 15, 2018 8:25:18 GMT -5
Best guess: The show goes on as planned. They'll probably cut back on as much of the overt promotion as they're contractually allowed. Most of the card is unchanged, but possibly with a few substitutions. Most of the talent will just go along with it. Those who hold out will probably be threatened with having a push killed if they don't play ball. With Kane being the newly elected southern county mayor, I wouldn't put it past him to beg off the event, but even that's a long shot. WWE fans by and large don't care. We've forgiven the company for major stuff before. Hell, there are plenty of fans who simply don't understand why Chris Benoit isn't in the Hall of Fame. Unless it turns out that somebody in WWE actively participated in the murder of the journalist (which, let's face it, wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen in this business) I think this will all blow over for them pretty quick. *Unless* their sponsors like Mattel and 2K apply pressure, WWE won't lose as much as they stand to gain from this deal. Pretty much this. Let's not kid ourselves if you think WWE is going to pull out. I doubt WWE, thier sponsors(especially Snickers), shareholders, etc...cares about what happened. They all care about the money. You never know, different case, but enough of a public stink was made for them to change part of Wrestlemania. Of course it's all down to money and contracts, but the sponsors react again, and don't like being associated with a company doing this right now, could get interesting at the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:28:48 GMT -5
Now is a really fun time to note that WWE's Q2 report included this tasty little morsel: Strap yourselves the f*** in because this story could get a whole lot f***ing nuttier. That's actually pretty creepy...geez... This whole thing is gonna end up being the biggest WWE related story of the year. Screw that, potentially the decade. You think they got grief over a brain-damaged wrestler committing murder/suicide? This is going to be the Chris Benoit incident tenfold. And it's gonna be great.
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