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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 8:31:39 GMT -5
Pretty much this. Let's not kid ourselves if you think WWE is going to pull out. I doubt WWE, thier sponsors(especially Snickers), shareholders, etc...cares about what happened. They all care about the money. You never know, different case, but enough of a public stink was made for them to change part of Wrestlemania. Of course it's all down to money and contracts, but the sponsors react again, and don't like being associated with a company doing this right now, could get interesting at the very least. If company stocks begin to take a significant tumble, that'll likely force shareholders into stopping this cold in its tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:32:23 GMT -5
For what it's worth on the website Crown Jewel's been moved from the top listed entry in the Shows section to buried several down, and while there are still some Saudi Arabia mentions, they've scrubbed a lot of them.
Seems like their approach is going to be, "Try and downplay it but still do it."
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 15, 2018 8:35:52 GMT -5
WWE will now be forced to pull out of Saudi Arabia and go with their backup location, Better-Than-Utopia.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 8:41:53 GMT -5
Do you think they'd still go if the US State Department decides to put a travel advisory against American citizens traveling to Saudi Arabia?
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 15, 2018 9:00:54 GMT -5
WWE will now be forced to pull out of Saudi Arabia and go with their backup location, Better-Than-Utopia.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 9:02:42 GMT -5
One of the Twitter Moments from over the weekend was about the Saudis are considering "retaliation" for any sanctions or loss of business over this.
....I don't mean to be playing contrarian right now, but considering they'd be doing a show RIGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA I would have to think the WWE is not just in an awkward place, but also a dangerous one.
Does pulling out mean some evil shit could happen to Vince and his family stateside or anywhere? It can't be out of the realm of possibility, considering the nature of the origins of this chaos, can it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 9:11:09 GMT -5
*sigh*
Yeah, this is going to blow up huge. Vince is going to regret it.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 15, 2018 9:13:02 GMT -5
That's actually pretty creepy...geez... This whole thing is gonna end up being the biggest WWE related story of the year. Screw that, potentially the decade. You think they got grief over a brain-damaged wrestler committing murder/suicide? This is going to be the Chris Benoit incident tenfold. And it's gonna be great. It’ll be a non-story by December I’m sure.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 15, 2018 9:16:47 GMT -5
One of the Twitter Moments from over the weekend was about the Saudis are considering "retaliation" for any sanctions or loss of business over this. ....I don't mean to be playing contrarian right now, but considering they'd be doing a show RIGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA I would have to think the WWE is not just in an awkward place, but also a dangerous one. Does pulling out mean some evil shit could happen to Vince and his family stateside or anywhere? It can't be out of the realm of possibility, considering the nature of the origins of this chaos, can it? Honestly they probably saw something like this coming when they agreed to the partnership.Maybe not at this level.But if they didnt consider it could get dangerous,they ar enaive.
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on Oct 15, 2018 9:27:44 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just cynical, but... isn't stuff like this almost commonplace in KSA? Not as public known, of course, but I swear I hear similar stories on a recurring basis, and it doesn't effect any other brand/Corp/conglomerate that does business there.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 15, 2018 9:28:11 GMT -5
One of the Twitter Moments from over the weekend was about the Saudis are considering "retaliation" for any sanctions or loss of business over this. ....I don't mean to be playing contrarian right now, but considering they'd be doing a show RIGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA I would have to think the WWE is not just in an awkward place, but also a dangerous one. Does pulling out mean some evil shit could happen to Vince and his family stateside or anywhere? It can't be out of the realm of possibility, considering the nature of the origins of this chaos, can it? They probably mean economic retaliation related to their oil wealth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 9:29:57 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just cynical, but... isn't stuff like this almost commonplace in KSA? Not as public known, of course, but I swear I hear similar stories on a recurring basis, and it doesn't effect any other brand/Corp/conglomerate that does business there. money before people and morals sadly.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 9:30:14 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game)
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 15, 2018 9:40:35 GMT -5
I like this thread. Instead of people sniping at one another, we get reasonable discussion about a highly-sensitive topic. Well done, everyone. Oh yeah? Well your imaginary friend smells.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 15, 2018 9:40:58 GMT -5
I will say this, to the comparisons to Benoit:
While they were ultimately responsible for the events leading up to it (re:the concussions), that was a freak accident, something that sort of happened to them.
They walked into this one, with decades worth of knowing who they're dealing with in KSA. Now we find out glorified propaganda might be written into the deal. In no uncertain terms, they're f***ed on this one.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 15, 2018 9:42:17 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just cynical, but... isn't stuff like this almost commonplace in KSA? Not as public known, of course, but I swear I hear similar stories on a recurring basis, and it doesn't effect any other brand/Corp/conglomerate that does business there. This type of political assassination of a US permanent resident who is a reporter for a major newspaper, abroad from KSA in an embassy like this....definitely not normal. It is astoundingly brazen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 15, 2018 9:43:01 GMT -5
*sigh* Yeah, this is going to blow up huge. Vince is going to regret it. Either way. Either he goes and probably gets buried with bad press, or he pulls out and KSA sues his ass into oblivion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 9:48:50 GMT -5
One of the Twitter Moments from over the weekend was about the Saudis are considering "retaliation" for any sanctions or loss of business over this. ....I don't mean to be playing contrarian right now, but considering they'd be doing a show RIGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA I would have to think the WWE is not just in an awkward place, but also a dangerous one. Does pulling out mean some evil shit could happen to Vince and his family stateside or anywhere? It can't be out of the realm of possibility, considering the nature of the origins of this chaos, can it? They probably mean economic retaliation related to their oil wealth. Oh, most likely... but the thought lingers in that paranoid side of my head, especially since murder is at the core of this entire controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 9:51:26 GMT -5
I like this thread. Instead of people sniping at one another, we get reasonable discussion about a highly-sensitive topic. Well done, everyone. I must confess, I pretty much skim news headlines these days. The actual news is pretty noxious. And when I look on social media for news items.....oh boy... I've learned more about this story here than any of those headlines, and the folks here talking about it do the internet proud by actually being of sound mind. Sound minds on FAN.... WAIT WHO ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE AND WHATS GOING ON HERE
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Post by Sparvid on Oct 15, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
Well, if it's any indication, they've added two more World Cup matches tonight. McIntyre VS Rollins and Ambrose vs Ziggler. Just like to note that will mean at least 5 out of 8 people in this "WORLD CUP" are American. www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2018-10-15I was thinking of adding small flags next to each competitor's name on the Wikipedia page, like for the Olympics or tennis tournaments or so, but I guess it would just be removed.
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