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Post by thetower52 on Oct 15, 2018 9:59:32 GMT -5
This is going to be a f***ing train wreck
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 10:03:37 GMT -5
For those wondering, WWE stock is down -$0.63 to $85.01 right now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 10:06:19 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) So it might not make me ultra popular but if WWE just did a show in Saudi Arabia...I’d be more fine with it. Would I like it? No. Would I like the fact the women would be staying at home? No. But they’d be putting their own money into a show and it sinks and swims on that, hey, go ahead. The issue comes from the part where the government is footing the bill for everything and all the Propaganda. Like, they did a show in Abu Dhabi and whilst, yes, they have their own problems, the government didn’t pay for it (as far as I know) and it was a house show instead of a giant PR exercise to make some rich dudes happy. And that’s before you throw in... this.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 10:09:19 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) So it might not make me ultra popular but if WWE just did a show in Saudi Arabia...I’d be more fine with it. Would I like it? No. Would I like the fact the women would be staying at home? No. But they’d be putting their own money into a show and it sinks and swims on that, hey, go ahead. The issue comes from the part where the government is footing the bill for everything and all the Propaganda. Like, they did a show in Abu Dhabi and whilst, yes, they have their own problems, the government didn’t pay for it (as far as I know) and it was a house show instead of a giant PR exercise to make some rich dudes happy. And that’s before you throw in... this. A lot of the controversy would likely be non-existent if WWE was just doing house shows in Saudi Arabia on their own volition and not in conjunction with the government there.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -5
So it might not make me ultra popular but if WWE just did a show in Saudi Arabia...I’d be more fine with it. Would I like it? No. Would I like the fact the women would be staying at home? No. But they’d be putting their own money into a show and it sinks and swims on that, hey, go ahead. The issue comes from the part where the government is footing the bill for everything and all the Propaganda. Like, they did a show in Abu Dhabi and whilst, yes, they have their own problems, the government didn’t pay for it (as far as I know) and it was a house show instead of a giant PR exercise to make some rich dudes happy. And that’s before you throw in... this. A lot of the controversy would likely be non-existent if WWE was just doing house shows in Saudi Arabia on their own volition and not in conjunction with the government there. What eJim said, is my stance, I don't agree with how they do things, but the people in that country, don't deserve to have a show canceled because of what their government allegedly did. And these shows are basically glorified house shows and I'm completely fine with that. The propaganda part, comes with the turf anyway, when you deal with that style of government, any deal you're making is gonna involve propaganda one way or another
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 15, 2018 10:20:57 GMT -5
For those wondering, WWE stock is down -$0.63 to $85.01 right now. It was already trending down slightly, but this is going to hurt them bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 10:25:59 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) You know... that logic is what got me in a Twitter argument yesterday. "Oh, the poor people who wanted to see fifty-year-old men wrestle... they're the REAL victims!" Not trying to instigate, but WWE has screwed over fans who wanted to see a show for lesser reasons. Besides, while it's nowhere near as bad as Collision in Korea, I didn't feel like the audience in attendance at Greatest Royal Rumble was there to see the wrestlers.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 15, 2018 10:29:06 GMT -5
For those wondering, WWE stock is down -$0.63 to $85.01 right now. Is that a significant/big drop? I have no idea how much stocks fluctuate.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 10:36:57 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) You know... that logic is what got me in a Twitter argument yesterday. "Oh, the poor people who wanted to see fifty-year-old men wrestle... they're the REAL victims!" Not trying to instigate, but WWE has screwed over fans who wanted to see a show for lesser reasons. Besides, while it's nowhere near as bad as Collision in Korea, I didn't feel like the audience in attendance at Greatest Royal Rumble was there to see the wrestlers. Like, I absolutely agree if there’s an opportunity for fans to see a show in another country to grow your audience and see it? Go for it. Makes them happy, gets you a new inroad and then you get to grow your brand in a nation deprived of wrestling. But honestly, you’re deeply kidding yourself if you think these shows are designed for the benefit anyone but the Saudi royal family. There was only one reason for them to do shows and it apparently will earn WWE a billion dollars.
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Post by chrom on Oct 15, 2018 10:56:51 GMT -5
I go on vacation and all hell breaks loose while I'm gone?
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Post by City Duck on Oct 15, 2018 11:04:29 GMT -5
I think they should do the right thing and make it a tribute show for John C. Reilly, Crown Brule
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 15, 2018 11:15:10 GMT -5
So it might not make me ultra popular but if WWE just did a show in Saudi Arabia...I’d be more fine with it. Would I like it? No. Would I like the fact the women would be staying at home? No. But they’d be putting their own money into a show and it sinks and swims on that, hey, go ahead. The issue comes from the part where the government is footing the bill for everything and all the Propaganda. Like, they did a show in Abu Dhabi and whilst, yes, they have their own problems, the government didn’t pay for it (as far as I know) and it was a house show instead of a giant PR exercise to make some rich dudes happy. And that’s before you throw in... this. A lot of the controversy would likely be non-existent if WWE was just doing house shows in Saudi Arabia on their own volition and not in conjunction with the government there. And that's the part that can't be overlooked, especially when we talk about how "everybody takes money from the Saudis". Everybody isn't airing whole ass tourism packages. Know why nobody gave a shit about WWE's Chinese expansion, in spite of that regime's issues? Probably because that deal doesn't involve the various voices and faces of WWE going on about how progressive the PRC is.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 15, 2018 11:29:03 GMT -5
Do you think they'd still go if the US State Department decides to put a travel advisory against American citizens traveling to Saudi Arabia? Isn't there already one?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 15, 2018 11:35:32 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) You really should feel a way. WWE, an American company, is taking the money from a foreign country's government to run a show that will air worldwide discussing how great said country is after said country executed an American resident through a 15-person ambush at an embassy just because he was a journalist and printed sources-cited criticism of said country. This is not just a "We don't like who the country voted for" scenario. And it's not just a show to "entertain," it's a show where government money is being spent for WWE to tell the world how great the country is, it's literally the definition of state-funded propaganda. Please take some time to really think about this.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 11:46:32 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) You really should feel a way. WWE, an American company, is taking the money from a foreign country's government to run a show that will air worldwide discussing how great said country is after said country executed an American resident through a 15-person ambush at an embassy just because he was a journalist and printed sources-cited criticism of said country. This is not just a "We don't like who the country voted for" scenario. And it's not just a show to "entertain," it's a show where government money is being spent for WWE to tell the world how great the country is, it's literally the definition of state-funded propaganda. Please take some time to really think about this. I did and I still don't feel nothing sorry to disappoint. It's not WWE responsibility to enact any changes. i'm happy the SA people are actually getting a big show. I don't agree with the politics of the government, but the people getting a big show like this is pretty important. The propaganda part I have a problem with, but it was gonna be part of the deal regardless
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Post by jabronidrive on Oct 15, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -5
I feel no way. But I don't think we should punish the common people that are going to the show, just because we disagree with their politics. WWE isn't a political entity and is just there to entertain people. I really think people are blowing this out of proportion (WWE doing shows in SA, everything else is fair game) You really should feel a way. WWE, an American company, is taking the money from a foreign country's government to run a show that will air worldwide discussing how great said country is after said country executed an American resident through a 15-person ambush at an embassy just because he was a journalist and printed sources-cited criticism of said country. This is not just a "We don't like who the country voted for" scenario. And it's not just a show to "entertain," it's a show where government money is being spent for WWE to tell the world how great the country is, it's literally the definition of state-funded propaganda. Please take some time to really think about this. And I’d venture to guess that if you asked said “common people”, they’d trade a wrestling show that was paid for by their government’s dirty money for being able to enjoy 21st century human rights.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 11:53:03 GMT -5
You really should feel a way. WWE, an American company, is taking the money from a foreign country's government to run a show that will air worldwide discussing how great said country is after said country executed an American resident through a 15-person ambush at an embassy just because he was a journalist and printed sources-cited criticism of said country. This is not just a "We don't like who the country voted for" scenario. And it's not just a show to "entertain," it's a show where government money is being spent for WWE to tell the world how great the country is, it's literally the definition of state-funded propaganda. Please take some time to really think about this. And I’d venture to guess that if you asked said “common people”, they’d trade a wrestling show that was paid for by their government’s dirty money for being able to enjoy 21st century human rights. Like I said, the civilians live pretty shitty lives, this is a great distraction for them. By pulling out we're definitely gonna endear ourselves to the rest of the world
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 11:57:10 GMT -5
Again I don't agree with the government there, I really think what they do is despicable, but pulling out isn't going to change anything, it will just foster more hatred between civilians of both sides. Nothing positive will come from this, Vince shit the bed on this deal
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 12:06:47 GMT -5
And I’d venture to guess that if you asked said “common people”, they’d trade a wrestling show that was paid for by their government’s dirty money for being able to enjoy 21st century human rights. Like I said, the civilians live pretty shitty lives, this is a great distraction for them. By pulling out we're definitely gonna endear ourselves to the rest of the world I mean, not being funny but a lot of the reason this is happening is because a citizen of Saudi Arabia was critical of the regime’s tactics of trying to come off as more progressive for the sake of good PR and, at best, he’s been kidnapped by said government and at worst (until the evidence the Turkish government has comes out) he’s dead. Like, nobody here is saying every government is perfect at all but I don’t know if having a distraction for a few hours is worth the cost of “countless human rights abuses and a journalist who died because he was critical of the government”.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 15, 2018 12:08:33 GMT -5
Like I said, the civilians live pretty shitty lives, this is a great distraction for them. By pulling out we're definitely gonna endear ourselves to the rest of the world I mean, not being funny but a lot of the reason this is happening is because a citizen of Saudi Arabia was critical of the regime’s tactics of trying to come off as more progressive for the sake of good PR and, at best, he’s been kidnapped by said government and at worst (until the evidence the Turkish government has comes out) he’s dead. Like, nobody here is saying every government is perfect at all but I don’t know if having a distraction for a few hours is worth the cost of “countless human rights abuses and a journalist who died because he was critical of the government”. I guess, but nothing good will come from pulling out, there's no winning choice, the crux of the blame is Vince for making this deal
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