Perd
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Post by Perd on Oct 15, 2018 14:44:03 GMT -5
I wish JBL was there.
”THEY CHEER WHO THE BOO! THEY BOO SUPPRESSION OF THE PRESS THROUGH VIOLENT MEANS, MAGGLE!”
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 14:45:19 GMT -5
On a lighter note, I'd assume this guarantees Roman and AJ retain their respective titles.
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mattyy
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Post by mattyy on Oct 15, 2018 14:47:19 GMT -5
One of the Twitter Moments from over the weekend was about the Saudis are considering "retaliation" for any sanctions or loss of business over this. ....I don't mean to be playing contrarian right now, but considering they'd be doing a show RIGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA I would have to think the WWE is not just in an awkward place, but also a dangerous one. Does pulling out mean some evil shit could happen to Vince and his family stateside or anywhere? It can't be out of the realm of possibility, considering the nature of the origins of this chaos, can it? They probably mean economic retaliation related to their oil wealth. I wouldn't be so sure about that, a couple months ago they threatened to 9/11 Toronto. www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-appeared-to-threaten-canada-with-a-911-style-attack-2018-8
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 14:49:54 GMT -5
Um...for news on the big glowing pink elephant in this thread...CNN is the place to be.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 15, 2018 14:52:50 GMT -5
So I listented to solomonsters thoughts about this entire thing and he brought up what I thought was an interesting little quandry I guess one could say about how the WWE roster is supposedly this tight nit family and how they all banded together when Meltzer said what he said about Peyton Royce but as it pretains to this all we hear is they do not wanna go but that "family" that piled onto Meltzer is not banding together and he even used Charlottes response to her getting asked about this entire thing as a sort of example and how she just dodged the question entirely and how they are not standing up like they did against Meltzer but simply dodging this entirely. Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way. For 90% or so of the roster I'd agree with the idea that the boys can't cross the office. But Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar,Randy Orton and John Cena are not those guys.
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Chainsaw
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It is what it is
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 15, 2018 14:56:29 GMT -5
One person I do feel bad for in all this from the wrestler standpoint is our Big Dog Manny Faberino. His appearance on GRR really jumpstarted his career, got him a lot of attention, and may have helped put him onto NXT. It was the only positive I've been able to take away from this disastrous deal, and I have a feeling the stuff going on in SA can't be sitting that well with him.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 15:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 15:02:18 GMT -5
Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way. For 90% or so of the roster I'd agree with the idea that the boys can't cross the office. But Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar,Randy Orton and John Cena are not those guys. Michaels is willing to come out of retirement for this show, Brock doesn't give a shit about anything and even dined with the royal family last time so he's clearly not moved by any of this, Cena is the ultimate company man and Kane's not far behind... Like when we talk about how the locker room has changed it's always with an emphasis on the current generation of wrestlers in there, you've listed the old-timers who have survived and thrived in a different environment or who took shit they wanted looking out for themselves above all else. You only named one full-time wrestler in that whole lot. They might have the power to do something, but they're not really who's being talked about in this situation.
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nate5054
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 15, 2018 15:03:13 GMT -5
Wow...I have nothing else to add but to second that Hoo boy.
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:03:31 GMT -5
Word. This just got serious.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Oct 15, 2018 15:03:40 GMT -5
"Interrogation gone wrong."
IT WAS 13 GUYS WITH A BONESAW!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:05:02 GMT -5
Well if WWE was not between the preverbial rock and hard place...they just fell into a void they have no way out of. And...Hoo boy
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 15, 2018 15:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 15, 2018 15:06:16 GMT -5
For 90% or so of the roster I'd agree with the idea that the boys can't cross the office. But Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar,Randy Orton and John Cena are not those guys. Michaels is willing to come out of retirement for this show, Brock doesn't give a shit about anything and even dined with the royal family last time so he's clearly not moved by any of this, Cena is the ultimate company man and Kane's not far behind... Like when we talk about how the locker room has changed it's always with an emphasis on the current generation of wrestlers in there, you've listed the old-timers who have survived and thrived in a different environment or who took shit they wanted looking out for themselves above all else. You only named one full-time wrestler in that whole lot. They might have the power to do something, but they're not really who's being talked about in this situation. But haven't they all been booked in headlining spots for this show? Secondly your assesment of all them as individuals is accurate from what we know. I'm not saying that they will or even should. I'm just saying they could with no repercussions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:06:30 GMT -5
Well, this situation just got a whole lot more complicated.
WWE really needs to just cut their losses on this one. But I see them trying to just ignore it and talking about how awesome Saudi Arabia is anyway.
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:07:08 GMT -5
I'm....f***ing speechless.
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Perd
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Post by Perd on Oct 15, 2018 15:07:33 GMT -5
Like, they have to cancel this, right? You can’t have all this hanging over you, and have the prince clapping while two 50 year olds crotch chop.
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 15:08:24 GMT -5
In its existence, this will probably be one of the few times the roster would be justified (and successful) in uniting against the company. I don't expect it, but man this shit is something else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:10:32 GMT -5
Vince better pull the f*** back right now. If he doesn't then...god. The roster has to unite together. They gotta.
This is insane bruh. My phone is lit up right now.
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:10:39 GMT -5
I would pay to be a fly on the at today's Raw production meeting. I can't even fathom the clusterf*** that's going to be. As much as SDL matters...the big guns(with the exception of AJ Styles, DB, and Miz) are on Raw. Like I said earlier if The Shield walks in and says they ain't going...or Cena says HE ain't going... tomorrow is gonna be a mess in WWE. ITS OFFICIALLY A MESS
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