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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:18:57 GMT -5
I think Vince will get in trouble with the shareholders, to the point I see him having to resign like Elon Musk Then he will go start his own wrestling company. With blackjack and hookers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -5
So I listented to solomonsters thoughts about this entire thing and he brought up what I thought was an interesting little quandry I guess one could say about how the WWE roster is supposedly this tight nit family and how they all banded together when Meltzer said what he said about Peyton Royce but as it pretains to this all we hear is they do not wanna go but that "family" that piled onto Meltzer is not banding together and he even used Charlottes response to her getting asked about this entire thing as a sort of example and how she just dodged the question entirely and how they are not standing up like they did against Meltzer but simply dodging this entirely. You're right. I was expecting a snarky comment from Seth Rollins at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:22:00 GMT -5
We all know this is what Vince will choose in the end, so let's not delude ourselves into thinking the company has integrity. Besides, I believe when they signed that deal to be the official circus of Saudi 2030, it's airtight, meaning WWE is screwed because they are now an associate of the regime.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 13:30:03 GMT -5
You really should feel a way. WWE, an American company, is taking the money from a foreign country's government to run a show that will air worldwide discussing how great said country is after said country executed an American resident through a 15-person ambush at an embassy just because he was a journalist and printed sources-cited criticism of said country. This is not just a "We don't like who the country voted for" scenario. And it's not just a show to "entertain," it's a show where government money is being spent for WWE to tell the world how great the country is, it's literally the definition of state-funded propaganda. Please take some time to really think about this. I did and I still don't feel nothing sorry to disappoint. It's not WWE responsibility to enact any changes. i'm happy the SA people are actually getting a big show. I don't agree with the politics of the government, but the people getting a big show like this is pretty important. The propaganda part I have a problem with, but it was gonna be part of the deal regardless That's just not accurate, though. Paid shows are a thing in wrestling and WWE just finished up one right now that didn't air videos showing women driving and didn't relentlessly talk up how progressive the city they were in was, who didn't have a big closed off section for royalty and didn't have their biggest star in fifteen years personally thank said royal family after the match. This is not a show put on "for the people" or even for the entertainment of the royal family. It is a show put on so that they can use WWE to sell a very specific narrative and try to deceive people. It's not WWE's job to fight social change but being complicit in the propaganda and deception of a dangerous government also shouldn't be WWE's job. To say no here isn't even to really make any kind of ideological stand, but to say "We're still doing this" and then airing more tourism ads and propaganda videos about progressive change is actively being complicit in enabling and supporting what this regime is doing.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 15, 2018 13:42:11 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just cynical, but... isn't stuff like this almost commonplace in KSA? Not as public known, of course, but I swear I hear similar stories on a recurring basis, and it doesn't effect any other brand/Corp/conglomerate that does business there. Generally, KSA is able to bury it before it becomes a top news topic, but they got their hands caught in the cookie jar, so to speak, because the Turkish govt says they have evidence that links the murder being ordered by the crown. The KSA, meanwhile, are trying to play it off that they were just going to lure Khashoggi into a trap and kidnap him back to Saudi Arabia, and it got out of hand, which...really, really, really does not sound much better.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 15, 2018 13:47:42 GMT -5
Almost everyone on the card is loaded and doesn't need the payday. Almost everyone on the card is so over they could refuse to go and still get booked for future events. Just saying.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 15, 2018 13:49:29 GMT -5
I did and I still don't feel nothing sorry to disappoint. It's not WWE responsibility to enact any changes. i'm happy the SA people are actually getting a big show. I don't agree with the politics of the government, but the people getting a big show like this is pretty important. The propaganda part I have a problem with, but it was gonna be part of the deal regardless That's just not accurate, though. Paid shows are a thing in wrestling and WWE just finished up one right now that didn't air videos showing women driving and didn't relentlessly talk up how progressive the city they were in was, who didn't have a big closed off section for royalty and didn't have their biggest star in fifteen years personally thank said royal family after the match. This is not a show put on "for the people" or even for the entertainment of the royal family. It is a show put on so that they can use WWE to sell a very specific narrative and try to deceive people. It's not WWE's job to fight social change but being complicit in the propaganda and deception of a dangerous government also shouldn't be WWE's job. To say no here isn't even to really make any kind of ideological stand, but to say "We're still doing this" and then airing more tourism ads and propaganda videos about progressive change is actively being complicit in enabling and supporting what this regime is doing. Didn’t we have a Saudi Arbaian poster giving us some insight during the buildup to the first Saudi show and defending the regime?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:49:47 GMT -5
Almost everyone on the card is loaded and doesn't need the payday. Almost everyone on the card is so over they could refuse to go and still get booked for future events. Just saying. Then were is the outrage from wrestlers then? Solomonster makes a good point. They have no problem attacking Meltzer for his comments on a woman's body, but can't say anything to a regime that treats women like second class citizens...much less of a planned killing of a journalist.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 14:00:32 GMT -5
So I listented to solomonsters thoughts about this entire thing and he brought up what I thought was an interesting little quandry I guess one could say about how the WWE roster is supposedly this tight nit family and how they all banded together when Meltzer said what he said about Peyton Royce but as it pretains to this all we hear is they do not wanna go but that "family" that piled onto Meltzer is not banding together and he even used Charlottes response to her getting asked about this entire thing as a sort of example and how she just dodged the question entirely and how they are not standing up like they did against Meltzer but simply dodging this entirely. Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 15, 2018 14:03:08 GMT -5
WWE stock at $85.43 (-$0.14 loss) right nos.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 15, 2018 14:06:28 GMT -5
So I listented to solomonsters thoughts about this entire thing and he brought up what I thought was an interesting little quandry I guess one could say about how the WWE roster is supposedly this tight nit family and how they all banded together when Meltzer said what he said about Peyton Royce but as it pretains to this all we hear is they do not wanna go but that "family" that piled onto Meltzer is not banding together and he even used Charlottes response to her getting asked about this entire thing as a sort of example and how she just dodged the question entirely and how they are not standing up like they did against Meltzer but simply dodging this entirely. Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way. I’ll put it this way too; If you and your roster friends respond to a NO DQ.com article about the Bellas taking away from the Women’s Revolution, then the only harm here is NoDQ gets a bit of publicity and Aaron Rift’s social media burns his phone from the inside out. No harm to anyone’s livelihood. If they said the same thing to the company they work for, at best you’ll be ignored, have heat and job for the rest of your career, at worst you’ll be fired and that’s the literal end of your WWE career possibly forever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:13:06 GMT -5
Company that owns UFC pulls out of 400M Saudi Arabia deal.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 14:24:55 GMT -5
Part of me wants WWE to do desperate commentary on RAW to convince viewers that criticism of this event is just Bizarro Land
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 15, 2018 14:26:46 GMT -5
Vince McMahon, like numerous other businessmen and politicians, knew exactly what they were getting into with Saudi Arabia; none of this is new. What makes Vince special is that is often so desperate to be seen a legitimate by anyone; he allowed himself to essentially be used as a propaganda arm during the first show; and is so desperate for the huge payday to prove his worth as a genius businessman, that he had already shot his bullets like HBK's return and another huge Bork payday for this 2nd show; that he's probably in too deep to just cancel it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:27:00 GMT -5
Part of me wants WWE to do desperate commentary on RAW to convince viewers that criticism of this event is just Bizarro Land What I'm expecting is tonight they try to downplay and sugarcoat it, they get more shit thrown their way, then either on SamckDown or next week they start approaching it from a, "Yeah, see, but here's THEIR side of the story. They're the real victims here," angle.
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Post by Fade on Oct 15, 2018 14:32:09 GMT -5
I'm guessing they just don't address it. No tip-toeing. Just straight up pleading the FiF. And giving the women extra attention.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 15, 2018 14:33:28 GMT -5
Wouldnt be surprised if this doesnt air on the network, or they just stick shawn's match in Hidden Gems quietly.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Oct 15, 2018 14:36:06 GMT -5
I'm guessing they just don't address it. No tip-toeing. Just straight up pleading the FiF. And giving the women extra attention. Everything but the last part I expect
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 15, 2018 14:39:28 GMT -5
Part of me wants WWE to do desperate commentary on RAW to convince viewers that criticism of this event is just Bizarro Land That or Cena/Reigns spin of any reaction being a good one. Corey Graves: Whether they love it or hate it, one thing's for sure Cole; everyone in the WWE Universe is talking about WWE Crown Jewel. Michael Cole: Absolutely right Corey, Saudi Arabia may one of the most controversial locations today, but there can be doubt that it always gets a response from the people. Renee Young: With #WWESaudiArabia already trending on Twitter; clearly the excitement on the road to Crown Jewel just keeps getting bigger and bigger; November 2nd looking to be an unforgettable night for WWE.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 15, 2018 14:40:33 GMT -5
That's just not accurate, though. Paid shows are a thing in wrestling and WWE just finished up one right now that didn't air videos showing women driving and didn't relentlessly talk up how progressive the city they were in was, who didn't have a big closed off section for royalty and didn't have their biggest star in fifteen years personally thank said royal family after the match. This is not a show put on "for the people" or even for the entertainment of the royal family. It is a show put on so that they can use WWE to sell a very specific narrative and try to deceive people. It's not WWE's job to fight social change but being complicit in the propaganda and deception of a dangerous government also shouldn't be WWE's job. To say no here isn't even to really make any kind of ideological stand, but to say "We're still doing this" and then airing more tourism ads and propaganda videos about progressive change is actively being complicit in enabling and supporting what this regime is doing. Didn’t we have a Saudi Arbaian poster giving us some insight during the buildup to the first Saudi show and defending the regime? No, I remember that poster. He was defending the civilians but not the regime, which is totally fair.
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