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Post by ANuclearError on Oct 15, 2018 16:17:28 GMT -5
For the first time in ages Raw's kind of become a must-watch for me, just to see how WWE addresses this. If they try to sugarcoat talk of Crown Jewel and downplay where it's at, drop the announced World Cup crap for tonight entirely (not as though anyone cares about it anyway), just dig their heels in, or what. I do think I've reached the point where I'd want to see ratings have a noticeable drop today as a message from the fans. Last thing WWE deserves right now is a rating bumps driven by morbid curiosity.
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Post by mattyy on Oct 15, 2018 16:18:57 GMT -5
You know what? How about the wrestlers that don't want to go to Saudi Arabia stand up and say "I am not going" instead of telling Alvarez and Sport's Illustrated and talking about how they don't wanna go. This could be a big step in unionizing the business which has needed to happen for decades. In this day and age, there really isn't a Hogan to their Ventura. Lets say half the roster decides they aren't going and they are terminated. The Young Bucks have never wrestled for WWE and they have merchandise in any mall in America. They just pulled out 10,000 for All In. You don't need the WWE machine to make money anymore. So I say if they don't wanna go, then don't. There are only so many indie jobs in the world and only so many who can get lucky enough to break through. Not everyone can be a Cody Rhodes striking it big on the indie scene and being arguably a bigger star there than they ever were in WWE. A lot of people are just going to be a Damien Sandow or a Ryback who just seemingly vanishes from the face of the earth after leaving. You say that, but ROH's roster lacks so much depth. NWA will need bodies to fill out their roster. Plus, you could argue that Ryback's heart wasn't into it, and that Sandow was past his prime by his release and wasn't this genius that he thought he was(ie: Aron Rex bouncing between "I am Serious!!" to "Not-Gay-At-All-But-Has-Man-Servant-Speaks-With-A-Lisp-And-Has-Limp-Wrist".) The point is, if half the roster doesn't want to go, then they need to put their feet down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:20:28 GMT -5
So I was going to be getting a new sub to the Network. Now I won't be doing that. I also won't be watching Raw or Smackdown or any PPVs or buying any of their products or playing their games. I'm done with them unless they are done with the KSA. I know it won't do anything, but I can't stand to even look at this horseshit any longer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:21:06 GMT -5
For the first time in ages Raw's kind of become a must-watch for me, just to see how WWE addresses this. If they try to sugarcoat talk of Crown Jewel and downplay where it's at, drop the announced World Cup crap for tonight entirely (not as though anyone cares about it anyway), just dig their heels in, or what. I do think I've reached the point where I'd want to see ratings have a noticeable drop today as a message from the fans. Last thing WWE deserves right now is a rating bumps driven by morbid curiosity. That's fair.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 15, 2018 16:28:31 GMT -5
I feel like I should speak up given how strongly I supported the show in April.
I went to the show. I guess it was fun. It was disorganized and very very clearly more a tourist ad for Saudi Arabia than a show for fans.
More news is imminent, according to CNN. I suspect this show will be canceled or moved.
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Post by Shark on Oct 15, 2018 16:30:19 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to think that someone like John Cena would take a stand on something like this. Cena is too much of a company man to speak against the company line in this way. In a sense, he's like Reese on Malcolm in the Middle when he joined the army. Incapable of thinking for himself and only doing what his commander tells him to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:32:14 GMT -5
I feel like I should speak up given how strongly I supported the show in April. I went to the show. I guess it was fun. It was disorganized and very very clearly more a tourist ad for Saudi Arabia than a show for fans. More news is imminent, according to CNN. I suspect this show will be canceled or moved. Cole: "Due to the Jamal Khashoggi murder, WWE has announced that the Crown Jewel event has been moved." *comedy segment immediately after*
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 16:35:08 GMT -5
There are only so many indie jobs in the world and only so many who can get lucky enough to break through. Not everyone can be a Cody Rhodes striking it big on the indie scene and being arguably a bigger star there than they ever were in WWE. A lot of people are just going to be a Damien Sandow or a Ryback who just seemingly vanishes from the face of the earth after leaving. You say that, but ROH's roster lacks so much depth. NWA will need bodies to fill out their roster. Plus, you could argue that Ryback's heart wasn't into it, and that Sandow was past his prime by his release and wasn't this genius that he thought he was(ie: Aron Rex bouncing between "I am Serious!!" to "Not-Gay-At-All-But-Has-Man-Servant-Speaks-With-A-Lisp-And-Has-Limp-Wrist".) The point is, if half the roster doesn't want to go, then they need to put their feet down. ROH is run on a very right budget and the NWA only has so much money. Nobody pays like WWE does, and there are very few people who can make it work on a big scale and make comparable money, and they are the tip-top stars who work a schedule as hard if not harder than what WWE does. There are not enough spaces on the indies for half of WWE's bloated roster to make that kind of money and for the demand to go around, and that's even before you get into guys who by virtue of what they can do or what their talent is end up not in as much demand at all. Hell even for all the talk of The Young Bucks making the money they do it's always a question of "their own thing vs. WWE's deeper pockets" and right now is either a worked shoot or some kind of leverage grab or something over in New Japan with people centered around how WWE just straight-up pays more. It's not an easy call to make and it's not the kind of plunge a lot of people would be willing to take. Someone tried already, Snickers said "We're not sponsoring this show". KSA is paying for all of it and with that comes an out to not have to apply any pressure, and I feel like they're going to take that out. This is a really messy situation people don't want to wade into. Snickers are splitting hairs, If they sponsor WWE, they are culpable. Oh no they absolutely are, but it is what the situation is right now. Big money aAdvertisers care about optics when their logo is up front on display for something unsavory and that's pretty much where it ends.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 15, 2018 16:37:31 GMT -5
I don’t believe the wwe would cancel the show, they would do anything for money.
Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist but they still used him. Snuka killed that girl and they still used him. They named a tournament in honor of Moolah and only changed it after Snickers got bombarded with messages.
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Post by héad.casé on Oct 15, 2018 16:43:36 GMT -5
I don’t believe the wwe would cancel the show, they would do anything for money. Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist but they still used him. Snuka killed that girl and they still used him. They named a tournament in honor of Moolah and only changed it after Snickers got bombarded with messages. Only difference is this time they actually have US Senators telling them to back off of going, and it's getting more and more media attention by the day. The fact that even WWE Shareholders don't even know what the details of this Saudi contract are is alarming.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 16:55:33 GMT -5
If WWE cancel, the Saudis will gain revenge by starting their own promotion and signing all the top talent.
The card for the inaugural WrestleMecca will be loaded.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 15, 2018 16:59:06 GMT -5
Even if they go, the f***ing Undertaker can’t be going can he?? They seriously wouldn’t do that.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 17:03:09 GMT -5
I don’t believe the wwe would cancel the show, they would do anything for money. Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist but they still used him. Snuka killed that girl and they still used him. They named a tournament in honor of Moolah and only changed it after Snickers got bombarded with messages. Only difference is this time they actually have US Senators telling them to back off of going, and it's getting more and more media attention by the day. The fact that even WWE Shareholders don't even know what the details of this Saudi contract are is alarming. I know people keep saying the shareholders would want them to do this show and all that but honestly the fact that the deal is shrouded in mystery should really skeeve the f*** out of people because it represents a really big issue of being locked into shit and not having any idea what that entails.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:03:16 GMT -5
I just went ahead and canceled the Network with the reason being “Other: I’m not pleased with the WWE going to Saudi Arabia and airing propaganda for the Saudi government.” It was pretty easy as I’ve been meaning to cancel for a while now. If anyone else is disgusted by the current situation I encourage you to do the same.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 17:05:09 GMT -5
Even if they go, the f***ing Undertaker can’t be going can he?? They seriously wouldn’t do that. He'll go. He has to defend his Saudi Streak. It's already 1-0!
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Post by fw91 on Oct 15, 2018 17:31:15 GMT -5
My gut is that they will cancel, but will milk out all the press coverage they are getting.
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Post by Woo on Oct 15, 2018 17:35:26 GMT -5
This is why you shouldn't do business with evil people.
This applies both ways.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 17:39:38 GMT -5
This is why you shouldn't do business with evil people. This applies both ways. Prince Muhammed - "My Honoured Father, His Serene Eminence King Salman, Sixth Of His Name, warned me against doing a deal with the Greater Power"
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Post by bearned on Oct 15, 2018 17:40:02 GMT -5
My gut is that they will cancel, but will milk out all the press coverage they are getting. ‘Hashtag WWECrownJewel trending world wide!’
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Post by fw91 on Oct 15, 2018 17:41:18 GMT -5
My gut is that they will cancel, but will milk out all the press coverage they are getting. ‘Hashtag WWECrownJewel trending world wide!’ yeah similar to how they handled the Moolah battle royal change.
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