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Post by Celexa Bliss on Oct 15, 2018 15:30:59 GMT -5
Interesting question/thought. If the internet was as common as it is now how do you think people back then would feel about WCW doing a show in North Korea which still is a lot worse than Saudi Arabia I think the shitstorm would have been about the same, if not worse. Especially considering the stories that came out later about that trip.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 15, 2018 15:31:24 GMT -5
If the US issues a travel ban it's a done deal right? They can't violate that. Travel bans are only for people that can't afford to go around the ban. For the record, this would be exceptionally expensive to go around. US' longtime travel bans, for example, on North Korea and (at one time) Cuba meant just one connecting flight through Canada. Saudi Arabia has banned all Canadian flights, so let's say the company goes through Mexico instead, that's at least $400 extra per person.
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:32:32 GMT -5
Vince is really out here ruining one of the things that makes me happiest. Like...WWE has gotten me through so much in my life. I never thought watching Raw would feel like a moral decision.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Oct 15, 2018 15:35:14 GMT -5
So I listented to solomonsters thoughts about this entire thing and he brought up what I thought was an interesting little quandry I guess one could say about how the WWE roster is supposedly this tight nit family and how they all banded together when Meltzer said what he said about Peyton Royce but as it pretains to this all we hear is they do not wanna go but that "family" that piled onto Meltzer is not banding together and he even used Charlottes response to her getting asked about this entire thing as a sort of example and how she just dodged the question entirely and how they are not standing up like they did against Meltzer but simply dodging this entirely. Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way. Not to mention the fear of standing against this show alone and (potentially) putting yourself and your family in danger. This really is something that would need the entire roster, but I'm sure everyone is individually scared shitless knowing that Vince put them between a rock and a hard place.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 15:37:33 GMT -5
Standing up against Dave Meltzer or some rando twitter troll or just looking out for each other is easy. It's definitely there and we can definitely see now that the locker room is more supportive and less cutthroat than it used to be, but the problem is that with that has come this fear of pissing off the office. Lots of reports about people walking on eggshells, about not being able to do anything or Vince not always being approachable because sometimes he'll just start yelling. To that end they're looking at their jobs being on the line, and clearly the one monster too big for them to stand up too right now is the office. You'd basically have to throw your employer under the bus and amplify a growing story causing a lot of problems for the company, and it would paint a target on your back real f***ing bad unless literally the whole roster did it. When the Moolah battle royal story went around, you saw some of the women who'd made tweets about it and honouring her delete said tweets upon finding out. When Hogan got reinstated, New Day and Titus put out public statements that were very, very carefully worded to avoid as many problems as possible. There is a world of difference in standing up against a person and standing up against your employer, and I get the point being raised here but I also get that people would be pretty afraid of career suicide, and that whatever fight is happening is happening internally in people not wanting to go; making it external and involving the media is basically begging for a shitstorm to be rained down upon you specifically. You don't treat the fights of "a guy on twitter" and "the company you work for" the same way. Not to mention the fear of standing against this show alone and (potentially) putting yourself and your family in danger. This really is something that would need the entire roster, but I'm sure everyone is individually scared shitless knowing that Vince put them between a rock and a hard place. There is definitely a backfiring element of "What if I speak out against this, they make me f***ing go anyway on threat of firing me when I have a family to feed, and then I'm getting dirty looks all f***ing night over it?" to this that also can't be understated. Or they speak out, the Saudis say "Fire them right now or we're going to have problems because this is undermining what we're paying you for", and they're out on their ass, which keeps other people from speaking up. This is a horrible situation WWE is putting people into, I don't blame them for keeping their mouths shut about it on twitter.
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:37:38 GMT -5
Can you imagine being the Superstars that have this trip looming ahead...or their families that might have to watch them go?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:39:30 GMT -5
Vince is really out here ruining one of the things that makes me happiest. Like...WWE has gotten me through so much in my life. I never thought watching Raw would feel like a moral decision. Yeah, this is one of those situations where I don't blame anyone for watching for the trainwreck factor and I sure as shit don't blame anyone for not watching.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:40:00 GMT -5
Can you imagine being the Superstars that have this trip looming ahead...or their families that might have to watch them go? This is the shit that makes my stomach turn. This is why I'd hate being one of those superstars. These men have families to go home to. They have wives, children, parents, siblings. Imagine you're someone like Kofi who's gotta head to Saudi Arabia knowing you've got a wife and 2 boys at home fully knowing what they've done. Like, imagine if you're Reigns who's got a little girl at home with your wife. A little girl. Lord. How could you even perform knowing that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:41:36 GMT -5
Can you imagine being the Superstars that have this trip looming ahead...or their families that might have to watch them go? This is the shit that makes my stomach turn. This is why I'd hate being one of those superstars. These men have families to go home to. They have wives, children, parents, siblings. Imagine you're someone like Kofi who's gotta head to Saudi Arabia knowing you've got a wife and 2 boys at home fully knowing what they've done. Like, imagine if you're Reigns who's got a little girl at home with your wife. A little girl. Lord. How could you even perform knowing that? To think, I felt bad for the women that they couldn't go to Greatest Royal Rumble.
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Post by Shai on Oct 15, 2018 15:44:07 GMT -5
Can you imagine being the Superstars that have this trip looming ahead...or their families that might have to watch them go? This is the shit that makes my stomach turn. This is why I'd hate being one of those superstars. These men have families to go home to. They have wives, children, parents, siblings. Imagine you're someone like Kofi who's gotta head to Saudi Arabia knowing you've got a wife and 2 boys at home fully knowing what they've done. Like, imagine if you're Reigns who's got a little girl at home with your wife. A little girl. Lord. How could you even perform knowing that? Or being, Naomi, or Lana or Renee? That have to work evolution and then immiedly send their husbands off for this? Especially Renee who by all accounts damn near lost Dean once already this year? This is making me ill.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 15, 2018 15:45:06 GMT -5
Can you imagine being the Superstars that have this trip looming ahead...or their families that might have to watch them go? This is the shit that makes my stomach turn. This is why I'd hate being one of those superstars. These men have families to go home to. They have wives, children, parents, siblings. Imagine you're someone like Kofi who's gotta head to Saudi Arabia knowing you've got a wife and 2 boys at home fully knowing what they've done. Like, imagine if you're Reigns who's got a little girl at home with your wife. A little girl. Lord. How could you even perform knowing that? It's gross that their boss has put them in this position. It's not like they took a backstage vote before making the deal. Vince just decided that he wanted money and the show goes where he tells it to go. Putting the talent and crew in this predicament is reprehensible. We've seen in the past how petty Vince is. Daniel Bryan will job and never sniff a title again if he won't go. New Day will be split up and shoved off TV if they refuse. It's all a load of shit, but you know Vince would do it.
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Post by Perd on Oct 15, 2018 15:51:36 GMT -5
Alright, WWE, let me walk you through this. You can usually skeet by on most things. Sure, there is occasionally an article or some online hubbub about some f your sorrier aspects. But it’s usually quickly forgotten, as people just take you for the sideshow carny act you so often prove yourself to be. But this? This is different. You’re on the precipice of being viewed, if you aren’t already, as hand holding cheerleaders of a government that looks to be guilty of one of the hallmarks of ruthless thug regimes throughout history. The silencing of any dissenting voice through violent measures. Do the right thing. Rip up that contract. And deal with whatever consequences may come.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:54:20 GMT -5
Alright, WWE, let me walk you through this. You can usually skeet by on most things. Sure, there is occasionally an article or some online hubbub about some f your sorrier aspects. But it’s usually quickly forgotten, as people just take you for the sideshow carny act you so often prove yourself to be. But this? This is different. You’re on the precipice of being viewed, if you aren’t already, as hand holding cheerleaders of a government that looks to be guilty of one of the hallmarks of ruthless thug regimes throughout history. The silencing of any dissenting voice through violent measures. Do the right thing. Rip up that contract. And deal with whatever consequences may come. Yeah, they really, REALLY should just drop this and deal with whatever fallout comes of it as they will. But I have the feeling on November 2nd they're going to be playing more propaganda talking about how incredibly progressive this murderous regime is.
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Post by Flo360 on Oct 15, 2018 15:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -5
Pressure on sponsors will be the only way to move WWE.
Otherwise they don't give a shit.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 15, 2018 16:04:43 GMT -5
Remember folks, Mattel forced WWE to fire one of their most popular wrestlers because he fake strangled a guy for a few seconds with his tie.
Teaming up with a nation that killed and dismembered a dissenting journalist who they were trying to extradite illegally from a foreign country...should move the needle a little bit more. You'd think.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 15, 2018 16:06:06 GMT -5
Pressure on sponsors will be the only way to move WWE. Otherwise they don't give a shit. Someone tried already, Snickers said "We're not sponsoring this show". KSA is paying for all of it and with that comes an out to not have to apply any pressure, and I feel like they're going to take that out. This is a really messy situation people don't want to wade into.
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Post by mattyy on Oct 15, 2018 16:11:36 GMT -5
You know what? How about the wrestlers that don't want to go to Saudi Arabia stand up and say "I am not going" instead of telling Alvarez and Sport's Illustrated and talking about how they don't wanna go. This could be a big step in unionizing the business which has needed to happen for decades. In this day and age, there really isn't a Hogan to their Ventura. Lets say half the roster decides they aren't going and they are terminated. The Young Bucks have never wrestled for WWE and they have merchandise in any mall in America. They just pulled out 10,000 for All In. You don't need the WWE machine to make money anymore. So I say if they don't wanna go, then don't.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 15, 2018 16:12:04 GMT -5
Pressure on sponsors will be the only way to move WWE. Otherwise they don't give a shit. Someone tried already, Snickers said "We're not sponsoring this show". KSA is paying for all of it and with that comes an out to not have to apply any pressure, and I feel like they're going to take that out. This is a really messy situation people don't want to wade into. Snickers are splitting hairs, If they sponsor WWE, they are culpable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:14:51 GMT -5
You know what? How about the wrestlers that don't want to go to Saudi Arabia stand up and say "I am not going" instead of telling Alvarez and Sport's Illustrated and talking about how they don't wanna go. This could be a big step in unionizing the business which has needed to happen for decades. In this day and age, there really isn't a Hogan to their Ventura. Lets say half the roster decides they aren't going and they are terminated. The Young Bucks have never wrestled for WWE and they have merchandise in any mall in America. They just pulled out 10,000 for All In. You don't need the WWE machine to make money anymore. So I say if they don't wanna go, then don't. There are only so many indie jobs in the world and only so many who can get lucky enough to break through. Not everyone can be a Cody Rhodes striking it big on the indie scene and being arguably a bigger star there than they ever were in WWE. A lot of people are just going to be a Damien Sandow or a Ryback who just seemingly vanishes from the face of the earth after leaving.
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