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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 6:16:31 GMT -5
Looks like Crown Jewel is still on.
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Post by chrom on Oct 16, 2018 8:07:21 GMT -5
I haven't seen any Raw yet, I assume they still mentioned it as normal? The words "Saudi Arabia" - to the best of my hearing ability, were not heard at any time during the broadcast. Graves made one joke at the start of the Balor-Mahal match that "it's time we address the big elephant in the room, the worldwide news everyone is talking about" before mentioning that the Singh Brothers were reunited at ringside. I usually like Graves, but this struck me as pretty tonedeaf. What a jackass
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 16, 2018 8:38:16 GMT -5
This is not a post I ever expected I was going to see on f***ing FAN but. Yes. Sorry, I used to be a chess buff. Not a very good one, of course. Meanwhile Chess references just set me off with this: Riyadh, middle eastern setting, And the city don't know that the city is getting, The creme de la creme of the wrestling world, In a show with everything but... The women. Time flies, doesn't seem a minute Since the Greatest Royal Rumble had the wrestle boys in it All change don't you know that when you Play at this budget there's no ordinary venue It's Wrestlemania or Summerslam or Super Showdown, or, Or this place! One night in Riyadh seems a massive fumble, McMahon can't help but court controversy, One night in Riyadh makes the stock price tumble, Can't be too careful with your company. I can feel the devil's favourite demon walking next to me!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2018 8:58:46 GMT -5
The wrestling party group I usually go to said they're not going to be doing a Crown Jewel party because of what's going on.
Not saying that's the biggest thing coming from this story but it's still something.
And considering we're probably days away from the shoe dropping on the admission of events, this probably has another while on it.
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Post by lookout on Oct 16, 2018 9:32:08 GMT -5
The wrestling party group I usually go to said they're not going to be doing a Crown Jewel party because of what's going on. Not saying that's the biggest thing coming from this story but it's still something. And considering we're probably days away from the shoe dropping on the admission of events, this probably has another while on it. Makes you wonder just how big of a backlash they will get from their own fans...never mind the political one, if they go through with it. One thing is for sure, it sure is going to be awkward when they start playing all those pro SA ads.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Oct 16, 2018 9:39:32 GMT -5
Looks like Crown Jewel is still on. Vince already converted the Saudi money into coins for his McDuck Scrooge vault
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 9:49:43 GMT -5
Listening to Post Wrestling, Pollock made a good point. WWE signed a ten year deal with many unknown details, shouldn't the investors be filled in on those details? And also, with ten years on this deal, there's probably gonna be a controversy heading into every event going forward. They essentially guaranteed themselves a tide of bad P.R. for a decade.
"They were so preoccupied that they could, they didn't think about if they should." Applies so aptly to this whole ordeal.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 16, 2018 10:09:16 GMT -5
I honestly think their reasoning boils down to my favorite Spaceballs Quote:
WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT
Ok I was wrong... it actually boils down to my SECOND favorite Spaceballs Quote:
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
Well that's a little closer, but perhaps I meant my third favorite Spaceballs Quote:
We're not just doing it for the money. We're doing it for a SHITLOAD of money!
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 16, 2018 10:26:25 GMT -5
The words "Saudi Arabia" - to the best of my hearing ability, were not heard at any time during the broadcast. Graves made one joke at the start of the Balor-Mahal match that "it's time we address the big elephant in the room, the worldwide news everyone is talking about" before mentioning that the Singh Brothers were reunited at ringside. I usually like Graves, but this struck me as pretty tonedeaf. What a jackass To be fair to Corey, that line could have been fed to him by Vince. It wouldn't surprise me if it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 10:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 10:47:59 GMT -5
^Was going to post that.
It seems that JBL has a word or two to say about the entire situation.
Waiting for Ryback to weigh in on all of this...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 11:00:05 GMT -5
JBL shows himself to be an asshole, what else is new?
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Post by Flo360 on Oct 16, 2018 11:01:52 GMT -5
Well...I tried...
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Oct 16, 2018 11:02:24 GMT -5
I honestly think their reasoning boils down to my favorite Spaceballs Quote: WE AIN'T FOUND SHITOk I was wrong... it actually boils down to my SECOND favorite Spaceballs Quote: I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.Well that's a little closer, but perhaps I meant my third favorite Spaceballs Quote: We're not just doing it for the money. We're doing it for a SHITLOAD of money!Yeah, it’s the third one.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 16, 2018 11:06:58 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable.
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Post by lookout on Oct 16, 2018 11:14:16 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable. I have to give him a little bit of credit, that is some pretty good spin. He did the best he could with what he has...and probably as good as the most seasoned talking heads on tv who try to spin bad situations into something passable for groups they support. But the reality is no one is going to buy that and for good reason. They aren't over there trying to change the culture, they are over there because they are getting paid a boat load of money and haven't canceled the event because of said money...and everyone knows it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2018 11:27:49 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable. Like, you could have an argument to extent...but the argument falls apart when you look at the respective organizations behind it. The USO were behind WWE’s Tribute to the Troops show and, as a non-profit organization, were there to provide entertainment for the troops overseas rather than be a propaganda machine about the government or even about the conflicts themselves (there’s more you could argue about that but that goes into further deep stuff WWE did in the past that they’d probably rather the media forgot about). If you ignore Saudi Arabia itself and the human rights abuses and everything else...it’s still a government paying another company in another country to basically say how good that country is to its audience. That should ring all alarm bells. You can say all you like this is good for the citizens and whatnot but...that’s not the aim here. If it was, the Royal Family wouldn’t be the ones front and centre at the GRR.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 11:30:21 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable. Like, you could have an argument to extent...but the argument falls apart when you look at the respective organizations behind it. The USO were behind WWE’s Tribute to the Troops show and, as a non-profit organization, were there to provide entertainment for the troops overseas rather than be a propaganda machine about the government or even about the conflicts themselves (there’s more you could argue about that but that goes into further deep stuff WWE did in the past that they’d probably rather the media forgot about). If you ignore Saudi Arabia itself and the human rights abuses and everything else...it’s still a government paying another company in another country to basically say how good that country is to its audience. That should ring all alarm bells. You can say all you like this is good for the citizens and whatnot but...that’s not the aim here. If it was, the Royal Family wouldn’t be the ones front and centre at the GRR. Yeah that first show really conteracts whatever good will claim they wanna make. If you want to go in and change a country, you don't do a show there and talk like the positive changes have already taken place.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 16, 2018 12:21:38 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable. Like, you could have an argument to extent...but the argument falls apart when you look at the respective organizations behind it. The USO were behind WWE’s Tribute to the Troops show and, as a non-profit organization, were there to provide entertainment for the troops overseas rather than be a propaganda machine about the government or even about the conflicts themselves (there’s more you could argue about that but that goes into further deep stuff WWE did in the past that they’d probably rather the media forgot about). If you ignore Saudi Arabia itself and the human rights abuses and everything else...it’s still a government paying another company in another country to basically say how good that country is to its audience. That should ring all alarm bells. You can say all you like this is good for the citizens and whatnot but...that’s not the aim here. If it was, the Royal Family wouldn’t be the ones front and centre at the GRR. For me, I can still set aside whatever concerns I have about Tribute to the Troops and yet also question WWE's cozy relationships when it comes to advertising whole governments or apparatuses of governance. As a non-American, it's been difficult not to view things like U.S. navy fighter jets buzzing overhead at Wrestlemania or Join the Army promos that used to be at the start of WWE DVDs with a lot of skepticism. The point, to me, should be simple: WWE should stop propagandizing on behalf of governments or government-related institutions, Saudi, American, whatever, period. And that's before getting into the whole knot of controversies WWE's recent business deal with Saudi Arabia has caused.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2018 12:28:21 GMT -5
Like, you could have an argument to extent...but the argument falls apart when you look at the respective organizations behind it. The USO were behind WWE’s Tribute to the Troops show and, as a non-profit organization, were there to provide entertainment for the troops overseas rather than be a propaganda machine about the government or even about the conflicts themselves (there’s more you could argue about that but that goes into further deep stuff WWE did in the past that they’d probably rather the media forgot about). If you ignore Saudi Arabia itself and the human rights abuses and everything else...it’s still a government paying another company in another country to basically say how good that country is to its audience. That should ring all alarm bells. You can say all you like this is good for the citizens and whatnot but...that’s not the aim here. If it was, the Royal Family wouldn’t be the ones front and centre at the GRR. For me, I can still set aside whatever concerns I have about Tribute to the Troops and yet also question WWE's cozy relationships when it comes to advertising whole governments or apparatuses of governance. As a non-American, it's been difficult not to view things like U.S. navy fighter jets buzzing overhead at Wrestlemania or Join the Army promos that used to be at the start of WWE DVDs with a lot of skepticism. The point, to me, should be simple: WWE should stop propagandizing on behalf of governments or government-related institutions, Saudi, American, whatever, period. And that's before getting into the whole knot of controversies WWE's recent business deal with Saudi Arabia has caused. You have my full agreement, dude. The point was more about JBL’s points but to put it all simply, that’d be the ideal thing that comes from all this.
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