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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2018 14:54:19 GMT -5
Not to get into conspiracy theory mode, but I almost feel at times that Vince is basically deciding to "Viking Funeral" the WWE. That "i'm gonna kill my own creation" promo is looking downright eerie now. I feel like that’s putting too much into it. To be honest, I think it’s just simply that Vince is a billionaire and king of a Monopoly and with that power comes the cockiness of feeling like you can get away with anything. He faced the government in court in a case that could have potentially wrecked his company for, at best, a really long ass time and won and then beat the company that would become his biggest rival a decade later. That’d probably make most people feel damn near invincible.
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Post by Fade on Oct 16, 2018 14:57:04 GMT -5
I have to say that watching RAW, I was equal parts inspired and disgusted by Vince. He's still the boss. The leader. The Captain of the ship. And even while damaged and taking fire, he sails right into the storm with full bravado. He's a dying breed.
And I have no doubt that Corey line was fed to him by Vince. That's that "neck-deep-in-shit-but-still-find-time-to-rib" mentality.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 16, 2018 15:02:37 GMT -5
WWE stock is at $84.04 today. They were over $85.00 a share yesterday, so there's been a bit of a plunge.
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 16, 2018 15:16:17 GMT -5
"WWE has been at the forefront of change." -JBL
This is obviously correct, as demonstrated by WWE's recognition, three years ago, that women are people, too. It's also demonstrated by their use of a well-known serial sexual assaulter* to be their mouthpiece on Fox Business hits.
*Because "serial sexual assaulter" can be seen as describing many people within WWE's orbit, I want to make clear that I am referring to JBL here
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 16, 2018 15:21:07 GMT -5
I hear that NJPW group is pretty good. Guess I'm going to be watching most of my wrestling in Japanese from now on. Don't worry, they have English commentary too.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2018 15:37:31 GMT -5
I have to say that watching RAW, I was equal parts inspired and disgusted by Vince. He's still the boss. The leader. The Captain of the ship. And even while damaged and taking fire, he sails right into the storm with full bravado. He's a dying breed. And I have no doubt that Corey line was fed to him by Vince. That's that "neck-deep-in-shit-but-still-find-time-to-rib" mentality. Corey Graves is a dude who more or less posted on Instagram after getting back home from the GRR "Thank God I'm back here in the US." I have no doubt that not only was he fed that line, but was likely one of the people who reportedly felt "uneasy" about going to do Crown Jewel.
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Post by Fade on Oct 16, 2018 15:40:09 GMT -5
I have to say that watching RAW, I was equal parts inspired and disgusted by Vince. He's still the boss. The leader. The Captain of the ship. And even while damaged and taking fire, he sails right into the storm with full bravado. He's a dying breed. And I have no doubt that Corey line was fed to him by Vince. That's that "neck-deep-in-shit-but-still-find-time-to-rib" mentality. Corey Graves is a dude who more or less posted on Instagram after getting back home from the GRR "Thank God I'm back here in the US." I have no doubt that not only was he fed that line, but was likely one of the people who reportedly felt "uneasy" about going to do Crown Jewel. Yeah, I know. It's in the dudes best interest to lay off the sauce and Twitter for a bit.
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Post by Legion on Oct 16, 2018 15:42:55 GMT -5
There are obviously elements within the Saudi government that are awful, dictatorial and outright murderous.
There are also some elements within the Saudi government that are trying with reform and change, and that takes time.
Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish the whole for the actions of the few? Do you ignore the attempts at change by some (the young?) because their are others stuck in the past (the old?).
I honestly dont know, and I feel like to really get in to it, the forum rules would be violated. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, but equally a man has been murdered.
It's a really shitty situation and WWE is doing itself no favours not just finding a way to back out, even if only temporarily while the investigation is underway.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 16, 2018 15:44:06 GMT -5
Sorry, I used to be a chess buff. Not a very good one, of course. Meanwhile Chess references just set me off with this: Riyadh, middle eastern setting, And the city don't know that the city is getting, The creme de la creme of the wrestling world, In a show with everything but... The women. Time flies, doesn't seem a minute Since the Greatest Royal Rumble had the wrestle boys in it All change don't you know that when you Play at this budget there's no ordinary venue It's Wrestlemania or Summerslam or Super Showdown, or, Or this place! One night in Riyadh seems a massive fumble, McMahon can't help but court controversy, One night in Riyadh makes the stock price tumble, Can't be too careful with your company. I can feel the devil's favourite demon walking next to me! I love this forum.
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Post by gl83 on Oct 16, 2018 15:47:16 GMT -5
I honestly think their reasoning boils down to my favorite Spaceballs Quote: WE AIN'T FOUND SHITOk I was wrong... it actually boils down to my SECOND favorite Spaceballs Quote: I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.Well that's a little closer, but perhaps I meant my third favorite Spaceballs Quote: We're not just doing it for the money. We're doing it for a SHITLOAD of money!And for the Saudi POV, they'll get away with this with little if any punishment at all because of another Spaceballs quote: "EVIL ALWAYS WINS, BECAUSE GOOD IS DUMB"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 15:55:59 GMT -5
There are obviously elements within the Saudi government that are awful, dictatorial and outright murderous. There are also some elements within the Saudi government that are trying with reform and change, and that takes time. Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish the whole for the actions of the few? Do you ignore the attempts at change by some (the young?) because their are others stuck in the past (the old?). I honestly dont know, and I feel like to really get in to it, the forum rules would be violated. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, but equally a man has been murdered. It's a really shitty situation and WWE is doing itself no favours not just finding a way to back out, even if only temporarily while the investigation is underway. For me personally, I'm not necessarily invested in whether they perform there or not because I agree that you can't hold the residents accountable for their government's sins. I'm not even necessarily against businesses providing services for Saudi Arabian civilians in general, but it's all about intent and execution. WWE showed their hand on the first show that they're going about these shows with no moral integrity, they'll say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do and it's not even really about what the actual wrestling fans in Saudi Arabia want. I'd have no problem with them going over there, turning the cameras off and just putting on a wrestling show for the people, but I think what they're actually doing is wrong and they shouldn't be doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:01:32 GMT -5
I hear temples in Los Angeles are nice this time of year so for the disgusted and disgruntled of this rat infested ship come on over...we have Cervesas , pizza and VIOLENCE I think even if he makes the occasional sacrifice to the Gods, El Jefe.. err.. Papa Cueto is being the smarter promoter than Vince, at this point. Besides, LU has something for everyone. You like the Undertaker? Let's introduce you to his Mexican cousin, Mil Muertes. Remember when Rey Mysterio's knees weren't made of pudding? Here's Fenix!! Did you like the Attitude Era when the major star of the company was a badass antihero? Boy oh boy, are you gonna love Pentagon Dark. Seriously, though, LU is quirky at times, but it's one hour a week and it's almost like they do this amazing thing called BOOKING WITH A GOAL IN MIND.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:03:44 GMT -5
Also (and I'm hoping I don't get banned or warned for this):
JBL is bitch-made, and has the moral integrity of a cockroach. And you just know that Jibbles is one of those guys who likes to espouse his values while doing shit like this with no sense of dissociation.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 16, 2018 16:14:30 GMT -5
There are obviously elements within the Saudi government that are awful, dictatorial and outright murderous. There are also some elements within the Saudi government that are trying with reform and change, and that takes time. Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish the whole for the actions of the few? Do you ignore the attempts at change by some (the young?) because their are others stuck in the past (the old?). I honestly dont know, and I feel like to really get in to it, the forum rules would be violated. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, but equally a man has been murdered. It's a really shitty situation and WWE is doing itself no favours not just finding a way to back out, even if only temporarily while the investigation is underway. For me personally, I'm not necessarily invested in whether they perform there or not because I agree that you can't hold the residents accountable for their government's sins. I'm not even necessarily against businesses providing services for Saudi Arabian civilians in general, but it's all about intent and execution. WWE showed their hand on the first show that they're going about these shows with no moral integrity, they'll say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do and it's not even really about what the actual wrestling fans in Saudi Arabia want. I'd have no problem with them going over there, turning the cameras off and just putting on a wrestling show for the people, but I think what they're actually doing is wrong and they shouldn't be doing it. Pretty much all of this. If you want to do a show in Saudi Arabia, great. They’ve done shows in the Middle East before, they’ve done shows in Asia before or shows in places like China which has its own problems. Growing your audience for fans who haven’t experienced your product before isn’t a bad thing. But again, you are absolutely positively kidding yourself if you think this show is in any way for Saudi wrestling fans. If they come and give money, awesome. But WWE have made a profit of this show even before the fans buy the tickets. This show is only for the Saudi Royal Family to look good on a global stage and literally nothing else.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 16, 2018 16:15:07 GMT -5
Also (and I'm hoping I don't get banned or warned for this): JBL is bitch-made, and has the moral integrity of a cockroach. And you just know that Jibbles is one of those guys who likes to espouse his values while doing shit like this with no sense of dissociation. I don't know why you'd get in trouble for saying that a guy who raped people with household objects has no moral integrity. JBL is a piece of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:17:48 GMT -5
For me personally, I'm not necessarily invested in whether they perform there or not because I agree that you can't hold the residents accountable for their government's sins. I'm not even necessarily against businesses providing services for Saudi Arabian civilians in general, but it's all about intent and execution. WWE showed their hand on the first show that they're going about these shows with no moral integrity, they'll say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do and it's not even really about what the actual wrestling fans in Saudi Arabia want. I'd have no problem with them going over there, turning the cameras off and just putting on a wrestling show for the people, but I think what they're actually doing is wrong and they shouldn't be doing it. Pretty much all of this. If you want to do a show in Saudi Arabia, great. They’ve done shows in the Middle East before, they’ve done shows in Asia before or shows in places like China which has its own problems. Growing your audience for fans who haven’t experienced your product before isn’t a bad thing. But again, you are absolutely positively kidding yourself if you think this show is in any way for Saudi wrestling fans. If they come and give money, awesome. But WWE have made a profit of this show even before the fans buy the tickets. This show is only for the Saudi Royal Family to look good on a global stage and literally nothing else. Pretty much. These shows exist so Michael Cole can talk more about, "This beautiful, progressive kingdom," and get the company a nice paycheck for it. No further reason.
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Post by Krazee on Oct 16, 2018 17:18:31 GMT -5
regardless of all the craziness surrounding the show, i hope its a fun show
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 16, 2018 17:54:59 GMT -5
regardless of all the craziness surrounding the show, i hope its a fun show Absolutely. I loved Greatest Royal Rumble, and this card can potentially be pretty good. We may wind up getting something like Angle/Rollins out of this.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 16, 2018 18:21:31 GMT -5
There are obviously elements within the Saudi government that are awful, dictatorial and outright murderous. There are also some elements within the Saudi government that are trying with reform and change, and that takes time. Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish the whole for the actions of the few? Do you ignore the attempts at change by some (the young?) because their are others stuck in the past (the old?). I honestly dont know, and I feel like to really get in to it, the forum rules would be violated. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, but equally a man has been murdered. It's a really shitty situation and WWE is doing itself no favours not just finding a way to back out, even if only temporarily while the investigation is underway. Normally, I'd say no. But well, there's the Elephant in the Room. An Elephant named Linda. Her status (though kind of minor in the grand scheme of things) creates a link between Vince and the US Government that makes things a lot hairier than they would otherwise be.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2018 18:53:04 GMT -5
There are obviously elements within the Saudi government that are awful, dictatorial and outright murderous. There are also some elements within the Saudi government that are trying with reform and change, and that takes time. Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater and punish the whole for the actions of the few? Do you ignore the attempts at change by some (the young?) because their are others stuck in the past (the old?). I honestly dont know, and I feel like to really get in to it, the forum rules would be violated. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, but equally a man has been murdered. It's a really shitty situation and WWE is doing itself no favours not just finding a way to back out, even if only temporarily while the investigation is underway. For me personally, I'm not necessarily invested in whether they perform there or not because I agree that you can't hold the residents accountable for their government's sins. I'm not even necessarily against businesses providing services for Saudi Arabian civilians in general, but it's all about intent and execution. WWE showed their hand on the first show that they're going about these shows with no moral integrity, they'll say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do and it's not even really about what the actual wrestling fans in Saudi Arabia want. I'd have no problem with them going over there, turning the cameras off and just putting on a wrestling show for the people, but I think what they're actually doing is wrong and they shouldn't be doing it. This is exactly it. WWE does a number of shows in the Middle East. Heck, they even had women wrestle a house show in the United Arab Emirates, which also isn't the most progressive nation in terms of human rights.
But in those cases, they're just house shows. With GRR and likely Crown Jewel, WWE is not just putting on a show for the people of the country, but also acting as an all-but-official propaganda machine for a despotic regime.
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