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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 21:36:04 GMT -5
Shit, I do think Vince is that stupid. I mean the guy's dumb enough to not listen to fans to increase revenue lol.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 16, 2018 21:37:28 GMT -5
Look... there's a certain guy who looks very much like he's been doing this for years. He's friends with Vince. I don't put anything past their ilk. Nope. Not going to give an explicit response to that. I know that the "No Politics" rule has a Carte Blanche to attack him and his side, but I'm still not going there. Don't worry, I'm not asking you to. But this has all been shady as f***.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 16, 2018 21:38:03 GMT -5
Shit, I do think Vince is that stupid. I mean the guy's dumb enough to not listen to fans to increase revenue lol. "Not Listen to Fans" isn't the same as "Endorse the Murder of an American Journalist (who isn't actually an American, but whatever)" just to pocket some extra cash.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 16, 2018 21:39:06 GMT -5
Again: Guys, don't stray from WWE being the main topic here. Let's not abuse us being a bit relaxed on this thread. Thanks.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 16, 2018 21:45:01 GMT -5
I did find it funny the fans booed when Taker mentioned Crown Jewel at the end of SDL1000 tonight.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 16, 2018 22:02:04 GMT -5
Shit, I do think Vince is that stupid. I mean the guy's dumb enough to not listen to fans to increase revenue lol. "Not Listen to Fans" isn't the same as "Endorse the Murder of an American Journalist (who isn't actually an American, but whatever)" just to pocket some extra cash. Definitely not the same, but there is a causality. I honestly believe Vince getting into bed with the Saudis had a lot less to do with any corruption on his end than it did with him surrounding himself with yes men who gain more from saying "great idea, Vince" than they do from weighing out the risks associated with such a deal. Hell, the one person with ties to the company who was willing to tell them on the record to get out of there did so anonymously, simply credited as a "veteran ex-WWE wrestler". It reminds me of the study that talks about "women who own horses live longer". Horses have little to nothing to do with health, but people who can afford to maintain and take care of horses can obviously afford to maintain and take care of themselves. Just like "they won't push my favorite wrestler" has f*** all to do with a deal with a brutal regime, but the sort of people that wont give you push back on a possibly dangerous long term deal certainly wouldn't be moved by a questionable booking decision or two.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 16, 2018 22:05:18 GMT -5
For me personally, I'm not necessarily invested in whether they perform there or not because I agree that you can't hold the residents accountable for their government's sins. I'm not even necessarily against businesses providing services for Saudi Arabian civilians in general, but it's all about intent and execution. WWE showed their hand on the first show that they're going about these shows with no moral integrity, they'll say what they're told to say and do what they're told to do and it's not even really about what the actual wrestling fans in Saudi Arabia want. I'd have no problem with them going over there, turning the cameras off and just putting on a wrestling show for the people, but I think what they're actually doing is wrong and they shouldn't be doing it. This is exactly it. WWE does a number of shows in the Middle East. Heck, they even had women wrestle a house show in the United Arab Emirates, which also isn't the most progressive nation in terms of human rights. But in those cases, they're just house shows. With GRR and likely Crown Jewel, WWE is not just putting on a show for the people of the country, but also acting as an all-but-official propaganda machine for a despotic regime.
I have to say something about this, since this is like the third or fourth time I've seen the Emirates mentioned in conversation about the WWE/Saudi deal. Anyone else find it funny that UAE showed a more progressive stance towards women in a house show than The Greatest Royal Rumble did (and Crown Jewel will) when their whole reason for being is showing the world how progressive they are now?
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 16, 2018 22:06:23 GMT -5
"Not Listen to Fans" isn't the same as "Endorse the Murder of an American Journalist (who isn't actually an American, but whatever)" just to pocket some extra cash. Definitely not the same, but there is a causality. I honestly believe Vince getting into bed with the Saudis had a lot less to do with any corruption on his end than it did with him surrounding himself with yes men who gain more from saying "great idea, Vince" than they do from weighing out the risks associated with such a deal. Hell, the one person with ties to the company who was willing to tell them on the record to get out of there did so anonymously, simply credited as a "veteran ex-WWE wrestler". It reminds me of the study that talks about "women who own horses live longer". Horses have little to nothing to do with health, but people who can afford to maintain and take care of horses can obviously afford to maintain and take care of themselves. Just like "they won't push my favorite wrestler" has f*** all to do with a deal with a brutal regime, but the sort of people that wont give you push back on a possibly dangerous long term deal certainly wouldn't be moved by a questionable booking decision or two. Hot take: The toppling of the Ba'athists in Iraq directly lead to the Reign of Terror.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 16, 2018 22:07:05 GMT -5
Oh boy I can't wait until they run "WWE Great Leader" in North Korea...
Vince is a prostitute and would do anything for money.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 16, 2018 22:31:06 GMT -5
Oh boy I can't wait until they run "WWE Great Leader" in North Korea... Vince is a prostitute and would do anything for money. Until somebody actually willing to prosecute him for Treason is in charge.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 16, 2018 22:42:43 GMT -5
Oh boy I can't wait until they run "WWE Great Leader" in North Korea... Vince is a prostitute and would do anything for money. Considering WCW did the those big Collision in Korea shows. It's any wonder how Vince has had the self-restraint to not try and top Ted Turner there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 22:44:02 GMT -5
On the real, lemme ask this...
Are yall gonna watch this?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 16, 2018 22:50:16 GMT -5
On the real, lemme ask this... Are yall gonna watch this? I’m not sure. It’s a very ugly timezone to watch live from east coast Australia. I probably will in the end, anyway, just for the sake of the points rankings, but that could just entail watching match finishes as opposed to the whole show.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 16, 2018 23:02:49 GMT -5
This is exactly it. WWE does a number of shows in the Middle East. Heck, they even had women wrestle a house show in the United Arab Emirates, which also isn't the most progressive nation in terms of human rights. But in those cases, they're just house shows. With GRR and likely Crown Jewel, WWE is not just putting on a show for the people of the country, but also acting as an all-but-official propaganda machine for a despotic regime.
I have to say something about this, since this is like the third or fourth time I've seen the Emirates mentioned in conversation about the WWE/Saudi deal. Anyone else find it funny that UAE showed a more progressive stance towards women in a house show than The Greatest Royal Rumble did (and Crown Jewel will) when their whole reason for being is showing the world how progressive they are now? Maybe it's because the UAE itself isn't nearly as strict as Saudi Arabia, even though the country is also ruled by monarchs and has a poor human rights record. If anything, the UAE has a relatively great record in the region as far as gender equality goes which is why, with some conceits like covering up bare skin, the women were able to perform over there without any issue.
Also helps that Dubai and Abu Dhabi really want to be seen as these modern, global cities by the rest of the world, especially as tourism is a big industry for them.
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Post by bcdx97 on Oct 16, 2018 23:22:17 GMT -5
I did find it funny the fans booed when Taker mentioned Crown Jewel at the end of SDL1000 tonight. Yeah I was at the show and when that happened it felt pretty good.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 16, 2018 23:39:24 GMT -5
On the real, lemme ask this... Are yall gonna watch this? I'm not. Haven't had the network since right before HIAC.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Oct 16, 2018 23:45:13 GMT -5
I suspect WWE is waiting for this Rogue agents/interrogation gone wrong story to become Saudi Arabia's official statement. When that happens, I believe WWE will be able to cancel the event without breaching contract. There's bound to be some sort of safety clause that spares WWE financial responsibility when the Saudi government claims it has rogue agents killing innocent people.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 16, 2018 23:45:52 GMT -5
WWE stock is at $84.04 today. They were over $85.00 a share yesterday, so there's been a bit of a plunge. stocks are falling across the bored Actually, they went back up today for the most part, for instance the Dow Jones went up by 500 points. So the WWE still losing on the stocks surging is still telling. It didn't sink like a stone but it's not a good sign.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 23:49:17 GMT -5
On the real, lemme ask this... Are yall gonna watch this? As of right now I don't plan to but I won't be surprised if curiosity lures me into the BoD/DX match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 23:50:39 GMT -5
Vince is going to try to have his cake and eat it. He's going to go over and have a bog standard houseshow hoping that will fulfill his contractual obligations to the KSA and will avoid criticism back in the States.
Like most cake and eat it situations this will probably backfire. By flying out there he will anger American fans (and possibly the government if the situation escalates) and at the same time the KSA will be pissed that they didn't get their 2030 shilling to the west.
Then again the only other options are to pull out (get sued) or double down and go over propaganda shilling and all (massively bad PR with their bread and butter market). There's no easy option for Vince here from a financial POV.
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