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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 17, 2018 11:50:53 GMT -5
Cool that is all factually correct. It still shouldnt be defended behavior. We are past the point of "he has a family,he needs the money". It's the nature of the business. It will always be a circus act about trying to con the marks out of money. That's what they're doing. What Orton is doing is scummy, but I can't blame him when everyone around him is doing it, when even Cena is singing the praises of the Prince in the middle of the ring, or even Jim Ross is saying that the show must go on. I honestly think this goes way beyond the 'nature of the business' at this point when you gladly throw yourself into....well, all this. Like, yes, hiring back Hogan is problematic and the other stuff you mentioned is true, too but...when Senators are calling for an investigation into what you're doing and everyone's getting out of dodge except you (including the UFC)...it's not even about pro wrestling anymore.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 17, 2018 12:01:10 GMT -5
WWE Stock Watch It's now at $82.77 per share. Keep in mind that it was over $85 at the start of the week. OK I work at a bank and even I'm not sure whether soon will be a good time to buy in for traders or not. This could either be one of those things that tanks the company's standing for years, or one that blows over in a few weeks because this company seems to be allergic to consequence
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2018 12:33:09 GMT -5
The world has been doing business with Saudi Arabia for decades, despite their ideology and policies. They are rich and that alone overrides everything else. Ethics, principles and morality are only superficially cited. Even the businesses who are trying to distance themselves will be back in Saudi Arabia after the consulate murder blows over, which it will. If WWE goes ahead with the show, it will face no lasting consequences.
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Post by mo on Oct 17, 2018 13:13:51 GMT -5
The world has been doing business with Saudi Arabia for decades, despite their ideology and policies. They are rich and that alone overrides everything else. Ethics, principles and morality are only superficially cited. Even the businesses who are trying to distance themselves will be back in Saudi Arabia after the consulate murder blows over, which it will. If WWE goes ahead with the show, it will face no lasting consequences. That’s how I feel about this whole deal honestly. They’ll get some bad PR and lose a handful of Network subs that will be back in time for Mania, but anyone hoping for or expecting any major consequences for WWE out of this will likely be disappointed.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 17, 2018 13:22:34 GMT -5
Yeah, because putting on a show for our troops and putting on a show for a brutal regime (that doubles as propaganda) are remotely comparable. Not getting into it, but the absolute irony of him trying to compare Tribute To The Troops to this is so thick you couldn't even cut it with a chainsaw.
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Post by Legion on Oct 17, 2018 13:32:11 GMT -5
The world has been doing business with Saudi Arabia for decades, despite their ideology and policies. They are rich and that alone overrides everything else. Ethics, principles and morality are only superficially cited. Even the businesses who are trying to distance themselves will be back in Saudi Arabia after the consulate murder blows over, which it will. If WWE goes ahead with the show, it will face no lasting consequences. Pretty much. When your government does business with the Kingdom, selling arms no less, it kinda makes anything being said by politicians etc. a total vote grab con. Vince is business first, always. In some ways, you can respect that. Probably not here, from a moral standpoint, but in some ways. Sadly, the world doesnt run on morals. It runs on money.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2018 13:33:09 GMT -5
It's apt that JBL would try to justify WWE to Stuart Varney on FOX Business.
Two pieces of dogshit on a Murdoch owned propaganda network.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 17, 2018 13:42:03 GMT -5
Kevin Nash weighs in on this issue: Ah, here's the general take I am absolutely exhausted at. Then again, this is the guy who's been pushing the old "You're either in this business to make money or make friends" mentality that has ruined a lot of folks' enjoyment in the business, so I can't act surprised.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 17, 2018 13:50:25 GMT -5
Even if they did move the show, do they have enough time to sell tickets to the new location?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 17, 2018 13:54:58 GMT -5
It's the nature of the business. It will always be a circus act about trying to con the marks out of money. That's what they're doing. What Orton is doing is scummy, but I can't blame him when everyone around him is doing it, when even Cena is singing the praises of the Prince in the middle of the ring, or even Jim Ross is saying that the show must go on. I honestly think this goes way beyond the 'nature of the business' at this point when you gladly throw yourself into....well, all this. Like, yes, hiring back Hogan is problematic and the other stuff you mentioned is true, too but...when Senators are calling for an investigation into what you're doing and everyone's getting out of dodge except you (including the UFC)...it's not even about pro wrestling anymore. They're investigating because the size of the company and because Linda still has an ownership stake despite being on the cabinet. I'm not excusing them by the way, Vince is a scumbag for even going there in the first place. Wrestling has a shitty story of doing business with awful awful people. Mick Foley told a story on his book that he was supposed to do a tour on an african country but the tour got cancelled because the dictator was overthrown. Howard Brody, the former NWA president, was gonna put a show on Soviet Russia, but the fall of comunism ended it. Let's also not forget about Bischoff taking WCW to North Korea.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Oct 17, 2018 14:01:55 GMT -5
Even if they did move the show, do they have enough time to sell tickets to the new location? It would take some doing but I don’t think it’s impossible. WWE had to move an episode of Raw on short notice when the Denver Nuggets made the playoffs; of course that was a bit easier since both locations were, y’know, in the same country. I know there’s been talk of doing Crown Jewel in Manchester since the company has a European tour already scheduled.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 14:02:13 GMT -5
Kevin Nash weighs in on this issue: Reading between the lines here, Nash is basically saying that the WWE should have known that something like this would happen when they agreed to work with such a sketchy country.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 17, 2018 14:15:03 GMT -5
I honestly think this goes way beyond the 'nature of the business' at this point when you gladly throw yourself into....well, all this. Like, yes, hiring back Hogan is problematic and the other stuff you mentioned is true, too but...when Senators are calling for an investigation into what you're doing and everyone's getting out of dodge except you (including the UFC)...it's not even about pro wrestling anymore. They're investigating because the size of the company and because Linda still has an ownership stake despite being on the cabinet. I'm not excusing them by the way, Vince is a scumbag for even going there in the first place. Wrestling has a shitty story of doing business with awful awful people. Mick Foley told a story on his book that he was supposed to do a tour on an african country but the tour got cancelled because the dictator was overthrown. Howard Brody, the former NWA president, was gonna put a show on Soviet Russia, but the fall of comunism ended it. Let's also not forget about Bischoff taking WCW to North Korea. Yes, wrestling has a shitty past, and a lot of shady characters up to and including the McMahons. What's wrong with wanting it to be better? If "that's just the way things are" was an acceptable excuse, nothing would ever change.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 17, 2018 14:16:16 GMT -5
Rusev is such a treasure.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 17, 2018 14:21:50 GMT -5
They're investigating because the size of the company and because Linda still has an ownership stake despite being on the cabinet. I'm not excusing them by the way, Vince is a scumbag for even going there in the first place. Wrestling has a shitty story of doing business with awful awful people. Mick Foley told a story on his book that he was supposed to do a tour on an african country but the tour got cancelled because the dictator was overthrown. Howard Brody, the former NWA president, was gonna put a show on Soviet Russia, but the fall of comunism ended it. Let's also not forget about Bischoff taking WCW to North Korea. Yes, wrestling has a shitty past, and a lot of shady characters up to and including the McMahons. What's wrong with wanting it to be better? If "that's just the way things are" was an acceptable excuse, nothing would ever change. Because as long as the McMahons are in charge, it won't change for the better. Even if the show gets cancelled, they'll just eventually return once the heat dies down or work for another dictator.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 17, 2018 14:31:16 GMT -5
Yes, wrestling has a shitty past, and a lot of shady characters up to and including the McMahons. What's wrong with wanting it to be better? If "that's just the way things are" was an acceptable excuse, nothing would ever change. Because as long as the McMahons are in charge, it won't change for the better. Even if the show gets cancelled, they'll just eventually return once the heat dies down or work for another dictator. True, and then we go through this again. It's tiring yeah and you can't affect things every time, but the only way things have a chance of changing are when people try to fight it. The Moolah battle royal, it got changed because of the sponsors, who made the sponsors aware of that? The people talking about it. The more fuss gets kicked up, the more chance even when it looks terrible.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 17, 2018 14:40:57 GMT -5
Because as long as the McMahons are in charge, it won't change for the better. Even if the show gets cancelled, they'll just eventually return once the heat dies down or work for another dictator. True, and then we go through this again. It's tiring yeah and you can't affect things every time, but the only way things have a chance of changing are when people try to fight it. The Moolah battle royal, it got changed because of the sponsors, who made the sponsors aware of that? The people talking about it. The more fuss gets kicked up, the more chance even when it looks terrible. Then the sponsors should do something about this shit. I hope they do and if the wwe doesn't budge then the sponsors should leave.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 17, 2018 14:46:23 GMT -5
True, and then we go through this again. It's tiring yeah and you can't affect things every time, but the only way things have a chance of changing are when people try to fight it. The Moolah battle royal, it got changed because of the sponsors, who made the sponsors aware of that? The people talking about it. The more fuss gets kicked up, the more chance even when it looks terrible. Then the sponsors should do something about this shit. I hope they do and if the wwe doesn't budge then the sponsors should leave. Someone already mentioned this to Snickers (I think it’s earlier in the thread)... They just went “We’re not sponsoring that show, though” and washed their hands of it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 17, 2018 14:54:06 GMT -5
Then the sponsors should do something about this shit. I hope they do and if the wwe doesn't budge then the sponsors should leave. Someone already mentioned this to Snickers (I think it’s earlier in the thread)... They just went “We’re not sponsoring that show, though” and washed their hands of it. That's sad. This f***ing show will go on, all while Vince blows the guy who had the journalist killed. The stars will then cut promos about what a great guy MBS is, sigh this stain will follow the wwe forever.
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Post by crowley1986 on Oct 17, 2018 15:18:15 GMT -5
Because as long as the McMahons are in charge, it won't change for the better. Even if the show gets cancelled, they'll just eventually return once the heat dies down or work for another dictator. True, and then we go through this again. It's tiring yeah and you can't affect things every time, but the only way things have a chance of changing are when people try to fight it. The Moolah battle royal, it got changed because of the sponsors, who made the sponsors aware of that? The people talking about it. The more fuss gets kicked up, the more chance even when it looks terrible. think that well is going to dry up/has dried up as sponsors are just going to ignore fans whinging continuously
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