Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 17, 2018 15:33:20 GMT -5
True, and then we go through this again. It's tiring yeah and you can't affect things every time, but the only way things have a chance of changing are when people try to fight it. The Moolah battle royal, it got changed because of the sponsors, who made the sponsors aware of that? The people talking about it. The more fuss gets kicked up, the more chance even when it looks terrible. think that well is going to dry up/has dried up as sponsors are just going to ignore fans whinging continuously Depends which battles get picked. Beyond a couple of idiots, fans aren't going after them for every minor thing. If the arguments are "you're honouring a sex trafficker", "you're promoting a regime that murdered an American resident" that's not really whinging about every little thing. After a few of those kinds of issues, the issue becomes less"why are people complaining" more "why are we associated with these idiots who can't go 5 minutes before doing something horrific". This isn't going away, and with a diminishing fan base pointing out not just flaws with the product, but actual crimes, when contracts are up for renewal.. Frankly are WWE worth it?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 17, 2018 16:14:03 GMT -5
think that well is going to dry up/has dried up as sponsors are just going to ignore fans whinging continuously Depends which battles get picked. Beyond a couple of idiots, fans aren't going after them for every minor thing. If the arguments are "you're honouring a sex trafficker", "you're promoting a regime that murdered an American resident" that's not really whinging about every little thing. After a few of those kinds of issues, the issue becomes less"why are people complaining" more "why are we associated with these idiots who can't go 5 minutes before doing something horrific". This isn't going away, and with a diminishing fan base pointing out not just flaws with the product, but actual crimes, when contracts are up for renewal.. Frankly are WWE worth it? Yeah most people arent bothering the sponsors over like the Roman Reigns push. They complained to Snickers whose name was all over Mania about honoring an Alleged sex trafficker. Snickers corporate response from the Saudi shows was we aren't sponsoring it. Which is factual as it is paid for by the royals entirely but this is still the second time one of the people they associate with did something that could make them look bad in a year. They keep pulling this stuff they will wash their hands of it entirely
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 17, 2018 16:32:41 GMT -5
Rusev is such a treasure. Big E or Rusev, who give the least amount of f***s?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2018 16:38:04 GMT -5
I just want to say that even though Hit Girl Incorporated sponsors the World Wrestling Championship Organisation on a weekly basis does not mean that we endorse their upcoming show entitled Meltdown In Malabo, hosted by President Mbasogo, the completely and totally fairly elected president of Equatorial Guinea, who is currently in the 39th year of his glorious administration.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 17, 2018 17:11:56 GMT -5
I think some of the sponsors might get cold feet, if enough pressure is put on them. Again, it's not a one-off show that the WWE are doing in Saudi Arabia, it's a long term deal with the actual government. Even if Snickers et al aren't sponsoring the actual shows, they're still sponsoring a company that has gotten into bed with the Saudi government and is staying there.
I don't think the sponsors should be targeted, btw (they're not doing business with the Saudis and a lot of their deals pre-date the Saudi Arabia one), but it might not reflect well on them. And we all know that big companies care about their public image, often to stupid lengths (other than the WWE, it seems).
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 17, 2018 17:21:34 GMT -5
I just want to say that even though Hit Girl Incorporated sponsors the World Wrestling Championship Organisation on a weekly basis does not mean that we endorse their upcoming show entitled Meltdown In Malabo, hosted by President Mbasogo, the completely and totally fairly elected president of Equatorial Guinea, who is currently in the 39th year of his glorious administration. It's been a while since I've seen South Park. Don't they have their own President now? And they want us to book Mecha-Streisand for their show? Talk about shock value!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 17, 2018 17:32:05 GMT -5
We've been sorely underestimating WWE in saying that they're fan-proof in a creative sense. We're not seeing people tuning out over who's being pushed or the staleness of the product or just sheer annoyance with the writing. We're seeing people tuning out amid a scandal that is getting WWE bad press and negative attention, and they're still refusing to do anything. For 50 million a show twice a year, a million people could unsub from the network and this would break them even for the entire year. They don't care what people do, they don't care how anyone responds, they're still going to make all the money they want. It would take Fox pulling out for them to cancel this show and that's just not happening. WWE is locked in for a decade of playing the sports wing of KSA propaganda and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it. They will happily prop this regime up and invest effort into marketing to you, the paying fan, that they're great. And if you leave, boo-f***ity-hoo, they have Saudi money now. f*** this company forever.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 17, 2018 17:33:39 GMT -5
Rusev is such a treasure. Big E or Rusev, who give the least amount of f***s? Orton.
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Post by honsou on Oct 17, 2018 20:05:49 GMT -5
Honestly what the current roster says, especially the guys on the lower tier doesn't matter to me. They gotta keep their jobs and in a career where the average career last only 10 years, you gotta make your money when you can.
However if you own stock, have a subscription to the network or buy tickets to WWE events, you're directly supporting a murderous dictatorship
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 21:42:04 GMT -5
The more that I read about this and other things that Saudi Arabia is up to and how my government is enabling them the more disgusted I become. I’m done with the WWE for the foreseeable future, I’ll inevitably be back watching at some point and will likely still follow the threads around here but I can’t aupport any of this at the moment. Goddamn this whole situation is shady.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Oct 17, 2018 22:41:14 GMT -5
On the real, lemme ask this... Are yall gonna watch this? Depends on if I work that day. I do want to see Roman, after all. And to let my mom know how bad Undertaker is doing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 17, 2018 23:08:33 GMT -5
Gonna say I hope them not mentioning Saudia Arabia recently lends credence to them trying to find another location.
But not gonna hold my breath.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Oct 17, 2018 23:16:53 GMT -5
And upon further review, I will not be able to watch because I do indeed work that day.
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Post by corndog on Oct 18, 2018 1:54:14 GMT -5
We've been sorely underestimating WWE in saying that they're fan-proof in a creative sense. We're not seeing people tuning out over who's being pushed or the staleness of the product or just sheer annoyance with the writing. We're seeing people tuning out amid a scandal that is getting WWE bad press and negative attention, and they're still refusing to do anything. For 50 million a show twice a year, a million people could unsub from the network and this would break them even for the entire year. They don't care what people do, they don't care how anyone responds, they're still going to make all the money they want. It would take Fox pulling out for them to cancel this show and that's just not happening. WWE is locked in for a decade of playing the sports wing of KSA propaganda and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it. They will happily prop this regime up and invest effort into marketing to you, the paying fan, that they're great. And if you leave, boo-f***ity-hoo, they have Saudi money now. f*** this company forever. Between the Saudi money and television contracts, they could do Raw in empty arenas with no viewers and it wouldn't matter. That is why I seriously don't think anything is getting better and actually it's going to get worse. As long as the WWE has these incomes coming in, the fans are completely meaningless. Sure they won't get renewed at these rates, but it doesn't matter, none of the McMahon family will ever have to work and worry about money ever again.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 18, 2018 4:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 18, 2018 4:09:55 GMT -5
We've been sorely underestimating WWE in saying that they're fan-proof in a creative sense. We're not seeing people tuning out over who's being pushed or the staleness of the product or just sheer annoyance with the writing. We're seeing people tuning out amid a scandal that is getting WWE bad press and negative attention, and they're still refusing to do anything. For 50 million a show twice a year, a million people could unsub from the network and this would break them even for the entire year. They don't care what people do, they don't care how anyone responds, they're still going to make all the money they want. It would take Fox pulling out for them to cancel this show and that's just not happening. WWE is locked in for a decade of playing the sports wing of KSA propaganda and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it. They will happily prop this regime up and invest effort into marketing to you, the paying fan, that they're great. And if you leave, boo-f***ity-hoo, they have Saudi money now. f*** this company forever. Between the Saudi money and television contracts, they could do Raw in empty arenas with no viewers and it wouldn't matter. That is why I seriously don't think anything is getting better and actually it's going to get worse. As long as the WWE has these incomes coming in, the fans are completely meaningless. Sure they won't get renewed at these rates, but it doesn't matter, none of the McMahon family will ever have to work and worry about money ever again. WWE is living on borrowed time and climates so in their favour that they have leverage even in the face of these declining numbers. WWE is coasting by on luck and it's not going to last forever, but we have at least five more years of them being able to do whatever the hell they damn well please. If it craters, the McMahons walk away loaded, it's just all the wrestlers they're paying who get burned.
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Post by segaz on Oct 18, 2018 4:42:56 GMT -5
Should all US companies pull out of Saudi entirely, all trade with the US be suspended, and any USA shows or products be demanded to be returned to the US, until womens rights are as strong there as the USA, or the Saudi journalist case is fully expunged?
I don't think such a war like manoeuvre is appropriate, but action does need to be taken. It's just not gonna happen overnight
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Post by Starshine on Oct 18, 2018 4:58:15 GMT -5
Better hope he still has that neckbrace laying around somewhere.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2018 6:48:49 GMT -5
Show or not, WWE took a huge hit from this showing where their moral compass lies. A lot of us knew where it lied before, but now the world is seeing it on a grand scale.
They go through with this for the money, while losing basically everything else in the process, won't be shocked if future sponsors backed out, won't be shocked if this makes future deals with wrestlers and even current relationships with them strained.
This is going to be a bad situation in the future, hell it is now with their stocks dropping and news about how shady the deal is on top of how bad it just looks on the basis of GOING TO A PLACE A US CITIZEN WAS MURDERED BY A HIT SQUAD FOR AN OPINION, and all they simply had to do was either say no or move the event, in not doing so and trying to avoid the problem. Even Graves going so far to potshot the media about it, as probably fed through Vince, this is a bad situation, and I find it very hard to even look at the company right now.
WWE has deserved karma for a lot of crap over the years, this might aptly be the Crown Jewel.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Oct 18, 2018 6:50:07 GMT -5
Even if they wanted to could they even pull out now in Crown Jewel? It would be a betrayal to Kurt,Miz etc if they turned their back on those American wrestlers trying to win the World Cup trophy and bring that distinguished title back to American soil.
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