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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 19, 2018 20:46:30 GMT -5
For what it's worth, tickets were supposed to go on sale yesterday but that was cancelled. It does seem like WWE are preparing to pull out.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 19, 2018 20:47:05 GMT -5
Apparently they changed the ticket sale date to the 2nd, so maybe they’re going to try and move it.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 19, 2018 20:48:24 GMT -5
Apparently they changed the ticket sale date to the 2nd, so maybe they’re going to try and move it. The 2nd is the date of the show.. I think they're either moving it or cancelling it altogether.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 19, 2018 21:04:00 GMT -5
For what it's worth, tickets were supposed to go on sale yesterday but that was cancelled. It does seem like WWE are preparing to pull out. If they abruptly pull almost every reference to Crown Jewel on WWE.com and stop talking about it on TV next week, we'll know for sure that something's up.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 19, 2018 21:07:15 GMT -5
Well the Saudis officially confirmed the journalists death Said it once in this thread, I’ll say it again; Hoo Boy... Edit: Wait, they’re saying it was because of a fight?! 16 men against a 60 year old journalist?! Get the f*** out of here, man. Edit Part Two: 16 men and a journalist all getting into a fight with one of them having a BONESAW?! Come on, man... 18. 18 men versus a journalist. In their own embassy. And they have sat on it for two weeks. Cancel. The. Show. Or move it. I don’t care what deal VKM made with the House of Saud, this is a dealbreaker. Period.
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Post by Perd on Oct 19, 2018 21:14:06 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Don’t most fist fights end up in dismemberment?
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Post by Sicho100 on Oct 19, 2018 21:42:32 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Don’t most fist fights end up in dismemberment. Like my pappy used to say, "Let he who has not accidentally killed someone that they only intended to kidnap via bonesaw cast the first stone."
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 19, 2018 22:01:30 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Don’t most fist fights end up in dismemberment? That was why Shawn Michaels had to drop the IC belt that one time, right? Dismembered in a fist fight?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 19, 2018 22:01:56 GMT -5
Shouldn't have to agree to disagree about basic human rights and not glorifying the people who abuse them. Yeah sorry, not what I said at all. Yeah sorry, WWE taking money to glorify human rights abusers is 100% the conversation here and any idea that them just "reading the room" next time to see if it'll raise a stink if they go ahead and do it is absolutely a horrible position because in six months' time they won't have un-killed that journalist.
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Post by Fade on Oct 19, 2018 22:12:56 GMT -5
The shows gonna happen. I didn't watch GRR but whatever type of propaganda shit they aired then will more than likely air again. The fact people are still doubting it surprises me.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 19, 2018 22:19:39 GMT -5
Is there any reason why tickets go on sale so late for these Saudi shows? I think Greatest Royal Rumble had a similar turnaround for ticket sales, so it seems bizarre to start selling them two weeks before the show and expect a good size audience, much less before they postponed the sales.
I'm just used to every live event I've ever seen do advance ticketing at least two months in advance.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 19, 2018 22:25:11 GMT -5
It's possible people aired their concerns in private but didn't make a public stand of it. I hope that's the case anyway.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 19, 2018 23:47:24 GMT -5
Yeah sorry, not what I said at all. Yeah sorry, WWE taking money to glorify human rights abusers is 100% the conversation here and any idea that them just "reading the room" next time to see if it'll raise a stink if they go ahead and do it is absolutely a horrible position because in six months' time they won't have un-killed that journalist. WWE is a business, not a person. Sticking moral compasses on a business entity, whose only goal is to maximize profits within legal bounds, is a complicated thing to do.
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Post by Doctor No on Oct 20, 2018 0:09:35 GMT -5
Yeah sorry, WWE taking money to glorify human rights abusers is 100% the conversation here and any idea that them just "reading the room" next time to see if it'll raise a stink if they go ahead and do it is absolutely a horrible position because in six months' time they won't have un-killed that journalist. WWE is a business, not a person. Sticking moral compasses on a business entity, whose only goal is to maximize profits within legal bounds, is a complicated thing to do. I understand what you are saying but it is different when the company has chosen to be a moral compass(Be A Star, Susan G Komen, Connor's Cure). The "Be A Star" company wanting to work with a "Outspoken Journalist= Bonesaw" country calls into question the company's charitable desire at minimum. Also with WWE being a US company, it is a person as ruled by the Supreme Court. Especially when it comes to company's making political contributions and the WWE is a political company now.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 20, 2018 0:17:32 GMT -5
WWE is a business, not a person. Sticking moral compasses on a business entity, whose only goal is to maximize profits within legal bounds, is a complicated thing to do. I understand what you are saying but it is different when the company has chosen to be a moral compass(Be A Star, Susan G Komen, Connor's Cure). The "Be A Star" company wanting to work with a "Outspoken Journalist= Bonesaw" country calls into question the company's charitable desire at minimum. Also with WWE being a US company, it is a person as ruled by the Supreme Court. Especially when it comes to company's making political contributions and the WWE is a political company now. Businesses do charity work and different fundraisers for the PR of it, which again is supposed to be representative of the bottom line because they are a business. If the WWE was giving away $20 million to charity and not publicizing it and marketing it, the stockholders would not be thrilled. Now the people actually doing the charity work may indeed have morals and be doing it for the right cause, but the entity itself is a different story.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 20, 2018 0:24:03 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Don’t most fist fights end up in dismemberment? "CHOPPY CHOPPY YOU PEE PEE!!"
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 20, 2018 0:44:11 GMT -5
Yeah sorry, WWE taking money to glorify human rights abusers is 100% the conversation here and any idea that them just "reading the room" next time to see if it'll raise a stink if they go ahead and do it is absolutely a horrible position because in six months' time they won't have un-killed that journalist. WWE is a business, not a person. Sticking moral compasses on a business entity, whose only goal is to maximize profits within legal bounds, is a complicated thing to do. Okay but it's not though? It's not. It's like. SUPER not. UFC just backed out of a big investment deal with the Saudis. Other companies are pulling away from them too. Human lives and rights have a value greater than any dollar sign and it is only 'complicated' to do if human rights violations become negotiable to you if the price is right. WWE is a business run by people, who are actively making these decisions as people, solely to serve a theoretical entity and goal that do not matter anywhere near as much as the tangible real-life harm being done. Running a business does nothing to remove or absolve somebody from the most basic ideas of morality.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 20, 2018 0:54:37 GMT -5
Yes, in a vacuum business only exists and it's main goal is to make money.
But we don't exist in a vacuum and PR and doing the right thing has superseded that in the name of making continued money.
It looks really bad for the WWE to continue doing business with them when like every other company has pulled out including what is basically their closest competitor in UFC.
There is little upside for the WWE to continue pushing for this to happen, they make the Saudi money which is undoubtedly a lot (but the fact that not even the shareholder's know the details about is pretty damn sketchy.) but their stock is falling, people are dropping their network subscriptions and these things do get in the way of the number one rule of business of making money.
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Post by Rave on Oct 20, 2018 1:15:20 GMT -5
Is there any reason why tickets go on sale so late for these Saudi shows? I think Greatest Royal Rumble had a similar turnaround for ticket sales, so it seems bizarre to start selling them two weeks before the show and expect a good size audience, much less before they postponed the sales. I'm just used to every live event I've ever seen do advance ticketing at least two months in advance. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't GRR a mandatory attendance thing for the Saudi people?
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Post by Main Eventer on Oct 20, 2018 1:40:43 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Don’t most fist fights end up in dismemberment? If you play MDickie games... Yes.
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