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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 7:41:12 GMT -5
My only shock is that the first show somehow avoided this controversy. I'm not, because EVERYONE does business with Saudi Arabia. The only reason it is now is people are trying to exploit what happened for their own PR gain.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 7:42:59 GMT -5
Update: Damn, the locker room morale is going down quickly. It's basically coming down to the shareholders vs. the talent with Vince and Paul Levesque in between. The shareholders tune may change quickly though. This is getting mainstream coverage, and if WWE goes through with it, there will definitely be blowback. Some fans will leave, advertisers may leave or put WWE on their do not advertise list, and the stock price will take a hit. This isn't going to happen. THe only reason anyone give a damn about WWE right now is because of Linda. If Linda wasn't where she is, nobody would say one word.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 13, 2018 8:45:45 GMT -5
I think WWE is going to pull the show, but the card is like a dream card so far, so I hope they get a stadium here. Sucks it is football season, might be tough. They could do Camping World in Orlando and that would make me even happier because I would go.
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Post by héad.casé on Oct 13, 2018 11:06:12 GMT -5
PW Insider saying the show is still on and not being cancelled or moved as they are internally working on production logistics and talent itineraries.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 13, 2018 11:21:55 GMT -5
PW Insider saying the show is still on and not being cancelled or moved as they are internally working on production logistics and talent itineraries. To be devil’s advocate for a minute, organising the travel plans and such is probably putting up a bit of a safety net, as they could easily cancel those plans should they not go to Saudi Arabia, as opposed to postponing it all until they actually make their choice, and then they’d be rushing around doing those things on shorter notice if they still decide to go.
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Post by bcdx97 on Oct 13, 2018 12:08:08 GMT -5
My only shock is that the first show somehow avoided this controversy. I'm not, because EVERYONE does business with Saudi Arabia. The only reason it is now is people are trying to exploit what happened for their own PR gain. Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder?
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Post by jabronidrive on Oct 13, 2018 12:18:35 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 13, 2018 13:01:15 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. It's not petty at all. If your principles tell you that you don't want to give WWE your money, then don't give them your money. Clearly money is the only language Vince speaks.
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 13, 2018 13:15:34 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. I already did. It felt good. I'm under no illusions it will make some sort of major difference, but what else can I really do that's more direct.
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Post by City Duck on Oct 13, 2018 13:30:35 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. Absolutely not. I know there's always jokes about the "I'M CANCELLING MY NETWORK RIGHT NOW" thing, but this is one of the most deeply valid reasons to not support a company one could have.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 13, 2018 13:35:20 GMT -5
I'm not, because EVERYONE does business with Saudi Arabia. The only reason it is now is people are trying to exploit what happened for their own PR gain. Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder? Not sure if it’s for PR gain, but it is true that everyone does business with Saudi Arabia (and other countries with human rights violations). I think the US itself just signed a big money arms deal to sell arms to them.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 13, 2018 13:38:23 GMT -5
Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder? Not sure if it’s for PR gain, but it is true that everyone does business with Saudi Arabia (and other countries with human rights violations). I think the US itself just signed a big money arms deal to sell arms to them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 13:53:26 GMT -5
I would say that there’s no way that the show will go on with the obligatory and inevitable “Saudi Arabia is a great and progressive country” spots, but this is the WWE we’re talking about here, they almost always do the opposite of the right thing.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 13, 2018 14:15:14 GMT -5
Not sure if it’s for PR gain, but it is true that everyone does business with Saudi Arabia (and other countries with human rights violations). I think the US itself just signed a big money arms deal to sell arms to them. Putting a moral compass on business decisions is a tough road to navigate. Digging in to American businesses and the practices of the countries they do business with is a slippery road if you go down that path. WWE may a little different just in the sense that they’re doing a live event there, rather than just selling their goods or making their goods in such countries.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 13, 2018 14:36:16 GMT -5
Putting a moral compass on business decisions is a tough road to navigate. Digging in to American businesses and the practices of the countries they do business with is a slippery road if you go down that path. WWE may a little different just in the sense that they’re doing a live event there, rather than just selling their goods or making their goods in such countries. They're running state-funded propaganda on their programming. Marked difference between doing business with someone, and pushing their political agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 14:37:13 GMT -5
Ultimately they'll do that's best for their corporate image and the 'brand'. The wife of the owner of the company being in the government will probably sway things a bit too. Contingency plans have to be in place to find an alternative venue.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 13, 2018 14:58:57 GMT -5
Brawn should win, then do a stirring Rocky IV type speech about the value of free and open journalism.
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Post by honsou on Oct 13, 2018 15:00:02 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. Honestly his is the absolute best reason to do so.
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Post by The Trashman on Oct 13, 2018 15:00:57 GMT -5
If they go through with this I'm cancelling on the day of so I can at least watch the Mae Young Classic and Evolution.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 13, 2018 15:12:46 GMT -5
WWE - "Upon further consideration, we have decided to cancel the upcoming event in Saudi Arabia due to human rights concerns, We have decided to move it to Grozny, as part of the Chechnya 2025 vision"
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