Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 13, 2018 15:17:49 GMT -5
Not cancelling this event is unsurprising, whether or not they continue the relationship, canceling this specific event would likely be a logistical nightmare at this point.
I’d withhold full judgement until afterwards.
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clifford
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Post by clifford on Oct 13, 2018 15:49:09 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. Honestly this whole mess is making me wanna do the same thing.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 15:52:07 GMT -5
I'm not, because EVERYONE does business with Saudi Arabia. The only reason it is now is people are trying to exploit what happened for their own PR gain. Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder? It's not about being OK with murder. And again, we have no idea what happened. It is all conjecture on what happened to the journalist. I mean, by the logic presented, WWE should cancel all shows because people get murdered here. If you can show evidence that the Saudi's killed him, then you can go after them. What it is about is that nobody is backing out because of moral reasons, they are doing it for PR reasons while those that are going after WWE are only doing it because of where Linda is, therefore exploiting the situation for their own PR gain.
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Post by realist on Oct 13, 2018 15:53:11 GMT -5
Is it petty if I cancel my network subscription over this? Because I kinda want to. Go for it. I cancelled mine over Hogan'd ridiculous backstage apology for getting caught and never looked back. Sometimes you just have to take a stand for your personal beliefs.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 15:56:30 GMT -5
Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder? Not sure if it’s for PR gain, but it is true that everyone does business with Saudi Arabia (and other countries with human rights violations). I think the US itself just signed a big money arms deal to sell arms to them. They did under the idea it is better to have the Saudi's spend their money in the US rather than other less responsible nations.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 13, 2018 15:57:06 GMT -5
Whaaat? Saying you shouldn’t do business with a country that thinks it’s okay to murder a journalist is just exploitation for PR? Is the appropriate response to be okay with murder? It's not about being OK with murder. And again, we have no idea what happened. It is all conjecture on what happened to the journalist. I mean, by the logic presented, WWE should cancel all shows because people get murdered here. If you can show evidence that the Saudi's killed him, then you can go after them. What it is about is that nobody is backing out because of moral reasons, they are doing it for PR reasons while those that are going after WWE are only doing it because of where Linda is, therefore exploiting the situation for their own PR gain. This ain't it chief, but explaining why would break forum rules. But saying that the only reason people are going after WWE is because of Linda's current position and not for moral reasons says a lot about yourself and your own moral sensibilities.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 16:02:50 GMT -5
It's not about being OK with murder. And again, we have no idea what happened. It is all conjecture on what happened to the journalist. I mean, by the logic presented, WWE should cancel all shows because people get murdered here. If you can show evidence that the Saudi's killed him, then you can go after them. What it is about is that nobody is backing out because of moral reasons, they are doing it for PR reasons while those that are going after WWE are only doing it because of where Linda is, therefore exploiting the situation for their own PR gain. This ain't it chief, but explaining why would break forum rules. But saying that the only reason people are going after WWE is because of Linda's current position and not for moral reasons says a lot about yourself and your own moral sensibilities. In the mainstream media, it is most definitely the case. In fact, her name was openly uttered more than a few times. Remember, when they first announced the deal with the Saudi's all you got from the mainstream was crickets. If Linda was still CEO of WWE, the mainstream media would still be crickets because their is nothing for them to gain for going after WWE.
And ,trust me, there is no such thing as morals when it comes to big corporations in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 16:05:27 GMT -5
Company stopped mentioning Saudi Arabia on all their social media accounts and are now just referencing WWECrownJewel when mentioning the event.
Man, it really is sickening to see them try to slide past this shit.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 13, 2018 16:14:20 GMT -5
This ain't it chief, but explaining why would break forum rules. But saying that the only reason people are going after WWE is because of Linda's current position and not for moral reasons says a lot about yourself and your own moral sensibilities. In the mainstream media, it is most definitely the case. In fact, her name was openly uttered more than a few times. Because she's a big part of the story, as a representative of the US government she is personally benefiting from the show. How is that hard to grasp? Seriously? There was a flood of stories about the lack of women on the show. And with the most recent issues, Saudi Arabia is under fire across the world for good reason. Many other businesses have announced breaking ties with the Saudis in the past week. It's a timing issue more than anything. "No one's perfect so why care" is the most intellectually and morally bankrupt thing you can say
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Post by Fade on Oct 13, 2018 16:21:59 GMT -5
"How does vince sleep at night?"
"He DOESNT, you FOOLS! Now here put some ketchup on your steak"
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 13, 2018 16:28:17 GMT -5
More focus is going to be put on the WWE because of Linda, certainly. But it's not helping their cause when other high profile people that were dealing with Saudi Arabia are cancelling their deals there because of this (Richard Branson has cancelled a business deal, Gerald Butler has cancelled a promo tour, for example). It puts more eyes on the people that aren't cancelling.
Plus, as many people have said, the WWE going to Saudi Arabia is not just a business move, it's a political and propaganda move. It's the Saudis trying to show to the world that they're becoming more progressive and open, when the reality is that this (alleged) incident shows that they're not that at all.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 16:30:02 GMT -5
In the mainstream media, it is most definitely the case. In fact, her name was openly uttered more than a few times. Because she's a big part of the story, as a representative of the US government she is personally benefiting from the show. How is that hard to grasp? Seriously? There was a flood of stories about the lack of women on the show. And with the most recent issues, Saudi Arabia is under fire across the world for good reason. Many other businesses have announced breaking ties with the Saudis in the past week. It's a timing issue more than anything. "No one's perfect so why care" is the most intellectually and morally bankrupt thing you can say She isn't a big part of the story. People are trying to make her a big part for their own personal gain. She has absolutely zero connection to WWE other than being married to the Chairman and an almost irrelevant amount of stock. Since the stock price will not be directly affected regardless of what happens with the show, she is not benefiting from the show at all.
Second, yes there were stories, but that is it. There was no pressure put on WWE at all. They wrote the stories to get attention and make money, then moved on.
Third, companies aren't breaking ties for moral reasons. They are doing it for business reasons. If they could continue to do business without taking a PR or financial hit, they wouldn't back out.
Finally, I never said "nobody's perfect, so why care". You can care all you want, but it won't change the fact that US companies have no morals. They proved that by doing business with Saudi Arabia in the first place. The only ones being morally and intellectually bankrupt are the big corporations that try to claim they are doing it for moral reasons.
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Dukect
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Post by Dukect on Oct 13, 2018 16:32:19 GMT -5
Okay, people here's an what if for ya'll. What if the WWE continues on to Saudi Arabia and all 3 members of the shield said that they will not go on that plane and do the show and Vince fires all 3 on the spot 3-2 days before the event what would be the backlash and consequences for the WWE high brass, Members of the Shield, and the WWE locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 16:36:51 GMT -5
Okay, people here's an what if for ya'll. What if the WWE continues on to Saudi Arabia and all 3 members of the shield said that they will not go on that plane and do the show and Vince fires all 3 on the spot 3-2 days before the event what would be the backlash and consequences for the WWE high brass, Members of the Shield, and the WWE locker room. If the Shield decided not to do it then all the others have an excuse to not do it as well. If the reports about most of the locker room not wanting to go are true then hey, they've got reason to not go as well. Fact is it would highlight the WWE and it could get even more mainstream press if Vince fired them or anyone because they didn't want to go. It would show character. Like, this is getting major press but if the Shield of all people said they didn't want to go (hey, New Day as well add them in) and Vince fired them? The press would be through the roof.
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 16:36:53 GMT -5
Okay, people here's an what if for ya'll. What if the WWE continues on to Saudi Arabia and all 3 members of the shield said that they will not go on that plane and do the show and Vince fires all 3 on the spot 3-2 days before the event what would be the backlash and consequences for the WWE high brass, Members of the Shield, and the WWE locker room. Hard to answer since there is no way Vince would ever do that because only a fool would fire someone for refusing to go to this event 2-3 days before it.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 13, 2018 16:38:09 GMT -5
Because she's a big part of the story, as a representative of the US government she is personally benefiting from the show. How is that hard to grasp? Seriously? There was a flood of stories about the lack of women on the show. And with the most recent issues, Saudi Arabia is under fire across the world for good reason. Many other businesses have announced breaking ties with the Saudis in the past week. It's a timing issue more than anything. "No one's perfect so why care" is the most intellectually and morally bankrupt thing you can say She isn't a big part of the story. People are trying to make her a big part for their own personal gain. She has absolutely zero connection to WWE other than being married to the Chairman and an almost irrelevant amount of stock. Since the stock price will not be directly affected regardless of what happens with the show, she is not benefiting from the show at all. bruh
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Post by nickcave on Oct 13, 2018 16:45:27 GMT -5
I mean having an elected US official in Kane work the main event of your big event is a PR nightmare as well, whatever the case I am definitely canceling my subscription this is gross.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 16:46:21 GMT -5
She has absolutely zero connection to WWE other than being married to the Chairman
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Post by ryanjoste on Oct 13, 2018 16:46:24 GMT -5
She isn't a big part of the story. People are trying to make her a big part for their own personal gain. She has absolutely zero connection to WWE other than being married to the Chairman and an almost irrelevant amount of stock. Since the stock price will not be directly affected regardless of what happens with the show, she is not benefiting from the show at all. bruh What? In the grand scheme of this entire saga, it is irrelevant. If she was making money off of this deal whether it be through WWE, being paid directly, or it was affecting her job, THEN you would have a point. It isn't doing any of those. As I said before, if she were still CEO of WWE, these same people going after how now wouldn't be bringing her up AT ALL.
He is a local official overseeing a part of one state. Nobody is going to waste their time on that other than those in Tennessee.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 16:47:56 GMT -5
What? In the grand scheme of this entire saga, it is irrelevant. If she was making money off of this deal whether it be through WWE, being paid directly, or it was affecting her job, THEN you would have a point. It isn't doing any of those. As I said before, if she were still CEO of WWE, these same people going after how now wouldn't be bringing her up AT ALL. bud she's married to Vince. He makes money, they both make money. He's making money from the Saudi shows, so she is too
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