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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 21, 2022 22:13:18 GMT -5
Honestly what they should do. Scrap this movie, write a new one, and Frankenstein the parts you want from this. Make Ezra’s exit into the multiverse quick and easy. I doubt WB and DC have the patience to do something like this again for one of their comic book movies. I mean, they've been canceling and re-shooting and frankensteining movies together since before Superman Returns There's also the matter of an already ballooning budget. From what I can find, the budget for this movie is around $100 million, and that's probably a conservative estimate. With Ezra being the main character, replacing them would pretty much put Warner back at square one: they'd essentially be shooting at least the body of a whole new movie, plus new CGI, plus new advertisement in posters and commercials. At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 21, 2022 22:23:33 GMT -5
I doubt WB and DC have the patience to do something like this again for one of their comic book movies. I mean, they've been canceling and re-shooting and frankensteining movies together since before Superman Returns There's also the matter of an already ballooning budget. From what I can find, the budget for this movie is around $100 million, and that's probably a conservative estimate. With Ezra being the main character, replacing them would pretty much put Warner back at square one: they'd essentially be shooting at least the body of a whole new movie, plus new CGI, plus new advertisement in posters and commercials. At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. I mean the obvious way around this is to do a reshoot at the end post flashpoint where Flash is now like the TV Flash or just whoever they recast... |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2022 22:37:41 GMT -5
At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. Grace Randolph has spoken about the situation in a few videos and streams the last week. I know her reputation is sketchy at best, but she has proven herself to have the inside track on most of Warner Bros. goings on in the last 18 months, and she says Discovery seem to be leaning towards hard reboot, citing the poor return on investment of the Snyder Cut to satisfy the demands of a "small and aggressive fanbase", Miller's antics, and the disastrous box office performances of Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad compared to the MCU and Venom movies released during the pandemic. Momoa is seen as potentially the next Dwayne Johnson-level box office draw, so they want to hold onto him at all costs, but it sounds like everybody else is considered tainted by the failures of the last ten years. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 21, 2022 22:51:45 GMT -5
At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. Grace Randolph has spoken about the situation in a few videos and streams the last week. I know her reputation is sketchy at best, but she has proven herself to have the inside track on most of Warner Bros. goings on in the last 18 months, and she says Discovery seem to be leaning towards hard reboot, citing the poor return on investment of the Snyder Cut to satisfy the demands of a "small and aggressive fanbase", Miller's antics, and the disastrous box office performances of Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad compared to the MCU and Venom movies released during the pandemic. M I don't fully by that last bit since Everything I've heard everywhere else about The Suicide Squad was it blew all of their expectations out of the water. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 21, 2022 22:59:06 GMT -5
There's also the matter of an already ballooning budget. From what I can find, the budget for this movie is around $100 million, and that's probably a conservative estimate. With Ezra being the main character, replacing them would pretty much put Warner back at square one: they'd essentially be shooting at least the body of a whole new movie, plus new CGI, plus new advertisement in posters and commercials. At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. I mean the obvious way around this is to do a reshoot at the end post flashpoint where Flash is now like the TV Flash or just whoever they recast... That’s my expectation, WB does some minor reshoots or a new scene or two to show that something got f***ed up and now Ezra’s Barry is a new actors Barry. Way too much money to reshoot everything Ezra did |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 21, 2022 23:04:42 GMT -5
I mean the obvious way around this is to do a reshoot at the end post flashpoint where Flash is now like the TV Flash or just whoever they recast... That’s my expectation, WB does some minor reshoots or a new scene or two to show that something got f***ed up and now Ezra’s Barry is a new actors Barry. Way too much money to reshoot everything Ezra did Flash (especially doing Flashpoint type stuff) is probably the easiest to recast even in universe >_> I mean Green Lantern too but that'd be and here's a different Lantern <_< |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 21, 2022 23:07:25 GMT -5
That’s my expectation, WB does some minor reshoots or a new scene or two to show that something got f***ed up and now Ezra’s Barry is a new actors Barry. Way too much money to reshoot everything Ezra did Flash (especially doing Flashpoint type stuff) is probably the easiest to recast even in universe >_> I mean Green Lantern too but that'd be and here's a different Lantern <_< Exactly. I mean, you could easily make it a post credit scene. Ezra Barry running on the cosmic treadmill, disappears, reappears a few seconds later, looks in a mirror and it’s new Barry and “oh shit”. Boom. Problem solved. In a lazy, half assed way but options are limited |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2022 23:12:53 GMT -5
I don't fully by that last bit since Everything I've heard everywhere else about The Suicide Squad was it blew all of their expectations out of the water. Critically, sure, but David Zaslav is a money-first sort of executive, and there's no getting away from the fact that it posted an almost-$200 million loss for WB, with the performance looking even worse by Venom: Let There Be Carnage taking $330 million more at the box office just a couple of months later. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 21, 2022 23:20:39 GMT -5
I don't fully by that last bit since Everything I've heard everywhere else about The Suicide Squad was it blew all of their expectations out of the water. Critically, sure, but David Zaslav is a money-first sort of executive, and there's no getting away from the fact that it posted an almost-$200 million loss for WB, with the performance looking even worse by Venom: Let There Be Carnage taking $330 million more at the box office just a couple of months later. but it also made a ton of money in DVD sales and was like the number one streamed movie on HBO Max. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 21, 2022 23:26:57 GMT -5
At this point I say just ditch Flash entirely rather than bothering to finish and release it, then just salvage what footage you can for other projects. You'd be out a ton of money but you'd be out even more by the time you wrap the thing up and have to market it, and it's incredibly likely Ezra will do even more stupid shit between now and whenever this thing comes out.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 21, 2022 23:27:49 GMT -5
I don't fully by that last bit since Everything I've heard everywhere else about The Suicide Squad was it blew all of their expectations out of the water. Critically, sure, but David Zaslav is a money-first sort of executive, and there's no getting away from the fact that it posted an almost-$200 million loss for WB, with the performance looking even worse by Venom: Let There Be Carnage taking $330 million more at the box office just a couple of months later. The Suicide Squad also opened on HBO Max, that’s been proven to severely cut into box office performance. With the price of theatres now, there’s only a handful of movies I’m willing to go to in theatres when I can watch the movie on a streaming service I already subscribe to the same day and I imagine I’m not the only one. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2022 23:35:09 GMT -5
Critically, sure, but David Zaslav is a money-first sort of executive, and there's no getting away from the fact that it posted an almost-$200 million loss for WB, with the performance looking even worse by Venom: Let There Be Carnage taking $330 million more at the box office just a couple of months later. but it also made a ton of money in DVD sales and was like the number one streamed movie on HBO Max. The $200 million loss is apparently including home media sales (which total $13 million domestic, $14 million international), and the streaming figures for HBO Max were considered to be a major contributing factor to the poor box office. The simultaneous release of movies in theatres and streaming is one of the main reasons why Jason Kilar got shitcanned, as it cannibalised the more profitable box office receipts for short-term subscriber boosts. It's a $200 million loss with an asterisk, but a loss all the same. I expect the fact that critics and audiences loved both TSS and Peacemaker will at least convince Discovery to allow Gunn to continue developing stuff for HBO Max, but further movies are probably out of the question. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 0:05:25 GMT -5
I’ve never even watched an episode of the flash tv show. Just one look at the guy and the costume, he’s a much better flash than Ezra and that stupid suit.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 22, 2022 0:10:46 GMT -5
At this point, I'm sure Warner just plans to keep their head down and focus on everything that's not Flash up to the release date, and just quietly part ways with a recast. Honestly, depending on if Gadot's contract finishes with WW3, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard reboot for the universe very soon. Grace Randolph has spoken about the situation in a few videos and streams the last week. I know her reputation is sketchy at best, but she has proven herself to have the inside track on most of Warner Bros. goings on in the last 18 months, and she says Discovery seem to be leaning towards hard reboot, citing the poor return on investment of the Snyder Cut to satisfy the demands of a "small and aggressive fanbase", Miller's antics, and the disastrous box office performances of Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad compared to the MCU and Venom movies released during the pandemic. Momoa is seen as potentially the next Dwayne Johnson-level box office draw, so they want to hold onto him at all costs, but it sounds like everybody else is considered tainted by the failures of the last ten years. So I guess those billboards and banner plane flyovers aren't going to convince Zaslav to restore the Snyderverse. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 22, 2022 0:31:54 GMT -5
So I guess those billboards and banner plane flyovers aren't going to convince Zaslav to restore the Snyderverse. At least, probably not in live action. I'd not be shocked if they continue in animated form, though. There's probably enough interest to justify a modestly-budgeted animated miniseries, but the viewing figures for the Snyder Cut and – more importantly – the abysmally low number of people who actually watched the whole thing have not impressed, no matter how many times the cult bring up "worldwide phenomenon" and Academy-run Twitter polls. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 22, 2022 0:40:55 GMT -5
So I guess those billboards and banner plane flyovers aren't going to convince Zaslav to restore the Snyderverse. At least, probably not in live action. I'd not be shocked if they continue in animated form, though. There's probably enough interest to justify a modestly-budgeted animated miniseries, but the viewing figures for the Snyder Cut and – more importantly – the abysmally low number of people who actually watched the whole thing have not impressed, no matter how many times the cult bring up "worldwide phenomenon" and Academy-run Twitter polls. he doesn't need them anyway he's going to make the next Star Wars! |
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Apr 22, 2022 0:49:32 GMT -5
At least, probably not in live action. I'd not be shocked if they continue in animated form, though. There's probably enough interest to justify a modestly-budgeted animated miniseries, but the viewing figures for the Snyder Cut and – more importantly – the abysmally low number of people who actually watched the whole thing have not impressed, no matter how many times the cult bring up "worldwide phenomenon" and Academy-run Twitter polls. he doesn't need them anyway he's going to make the next Star Wars Spaceballs! |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 22, 2022 0:55:43 GMT -5
he doesn't need them anyway he's going to make the next Star Wars Spaceballs! Battlefield Earth! |
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Apr 22, 2022 1:58:13 GMT -5
I really do wonder sometimes how some you guys know all of the shit that you know about different movie facts and statistics. Those wikipedia browsing binges are kinder to you than any night that I'm up late constantly scrolling down youtube looking for a video that interests me.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 22, 2022 2:25:17 GMT -5
I really do wonder sometimes how some you guys know all of the shit that you know about different movie facts and statistics. Those wikipedia browsing binges are kinder to you than any night that I'm up late constantly scrolling down youtube looking for a video that interests me. Sometimes it's not that hard to find. Any studio that has shareholders will release the exact numbers for each movie, while sites like Box Office Mojo and The Numbers do a great job of collating data, even if a lot of the nitty gritty details are kept behind a paywall. And yeah, failing all else there's always Wikipedia to give ballpark figures. |
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