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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 20:50:07 GMT -5
So I am reading the awesome and approved by Meltzer Wrestling Observer Rewind series and for a better part of the attitude era it stands out that the best worker in the entire business from Mexico, America, or Japan is Juventud Guerrera?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 20, 2018 20:58:15 GMT -5
I have a compilation of early-to-mid 90s Juvy and the kid is unreal. His WCW run has aged well too.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 20, 2018 22:20:06 GMT -5
Juvi really was great until he started hitting the drugs and booze in a big bad way.
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Oct 20, 2018 22:37:32 GMT -5
Juvi was so good that he used his Observer reviews in contract negotiations with the WWE and they still signed him
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Post by Optimax on Oct 21, 2018 0:29:31 GMT -5
I wonder if he's allowed back in Australia yet?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 21, 2018 8:46:45 GMT -5
Juventud was a great talent and the only luchador to benefit from being unmasked in WCW. Psicosis looked like an ageing soap actress after her 12th plastic surgery, Rey looked like a 12 year old girl, Juvi was boy band member weird handsome. If he learned English sooner and kept his head straight he would have been a big name in the 2000s like Rey was, but it wasn't to be.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Oct 21, 2018 11:28:03 GMT -5
I wonder if he's allowed back in Australia yet? Yep. He was already back in Australia a year after getting fired by WCW for the first World Wrestling All-Stars tour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 11:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 21, 2018 19:28:23 GMT -5
He was pretty talented, but the dude was wreckless. If you go back and watch his stuff, there are so many moments where it looks like he just waffles his opponents and doesn't protect them at all. Compare that to Rey who was even more talented but looked safe as a feather.
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Post by corndog on Oct 21, 2018 21:29:16 GMT -5
I haven't watched his matches for a while, but I always felt like he was going to be a big star in the 2000s, but drugs and booze happened.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Oct 22, 2018 11:20:15 GMT -5
I was a big Juvi fanin 1998, but they were never going all the way with him. Rey was injured and they needed a face for the division. Malenko was never going to be that guy, so Juvi got the nod. Then Kidman got over and Rey came back and that was it for Juvi. He should have led the lWo after Eddie's accident, so of course they killed it.
The drug issues didn't help, neither did WCW's reluctance to push Cruiserweights...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 22, 2018 12:52:10 GMT -5
He was good early on, but he became sloppy as f***.
Apparently on real life he's as crazy as Teddy Hart.
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 22, 2018 13:20:03 GMT -5
So I am reading the awesome and approved by Meltzer Wrestling Observer Rewind series and for a better part of the attitude era it stands out that the best worker in the entire business from Mexico, America, or Japan is Juventud Guerrera? Then you haven't been reading that series correctly, otherwise you would see the raging hard-on Meltzer had for AJPW and the Four Corners in particular during that period.  |
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Post by ellisdee on Oct 22, 2018 16:23:39 GMT -5
Juvi really was great until he started hitting the drugs and booze in a big bad way. Pretty much this. Insane talent who was close to Reys standards and then became a big mess and lost it all. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 22, 2018 18:16:28 GMT -5
It is a bit of a travesty that Juvi is mainly remembered for his really-close-to-a-shoot, wig-flippingly insane Juice gimmick. He was a phenomenal wrestler before... well, being in WCW happened for too long.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Oct 23, 2018 8:15:42 GMT -5
It is a bit of a travesty that Juvi is mainly remembered for his really-close-to-a-shoot, wig-flippingly insane Juice gimmick. He was a phenomenal wrestler before... well, being in WCW happened for too long. I think the biggest travesty may be that he went on to wrestle in XPW after WCW and ECW folded. (Was he being 'payed' with trashy porn?) |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 23, 2018 8:37:20 GMT -5
It is a bit of a travesty that Juvi is mainly remembered for his really-close-to-a-shoot, wig-flippingly insane Juice gimmick. He was a phenomenal wrestler before... well, being in WCW happened for too long. I think the biggest travesty may be that he went on to wrestle in XPW after WCW and ECW folded. (Was he being 'payed' with trashy porn?) XPW itself is a travesty. |
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Post by eDemento2099 on Oct 23, 2018 8:41:16 GMT -5
I think the biggest travesty may be that he went on to wrestle in XPW after WCW and ECW folded. (Was he being 'payed' with trashy porn?) XPW itself is a travesty. Ha ha ha, yes. The quote I use for my FAN signature says it all! |
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