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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 5, 2018 15:25:04 GMT -5
Well I mean it's bizarre to try and push a guy for western audiences if he's a heel. In fact White may be more hated in the States than he is in Japan, which is kind of the opposite of what you'd want. He's....a heel. You want him to be hated, so people pay money to see him get beat....
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Post by Fade on Nov 5, 2018 16:08:22 GMT -5
KUSHIDA/Ishimori should be a damn good match.
And I'm not as hyped for the top 3 matches as I was last year but... Hyped to see Naito win. Curious how good Okada/White can be (plus faction shenanigans) and looking forward to how fresh Omega/Tanahashi will be.
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Post by chrom on Nov 5, 2018 16:26:38 GMT -5
To fill out the rest, I think G.O.D defends against Sanada/Evil, the annual NEVER Trios Gauntlet happens with BC dropping them during the December shows and a ROH World Title match as well.
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Post by TGM on Nov 5, 2018 18:54:34 GMT -5
I'm honestly looking forward to Okada vs Jay White more than anything on this show.
Anybody get the feeling they're putting a lot of stock into White?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 5, 2018 18:57:36 GMT -5
Well I mean it's bizarre to try and push a guy for western audiences if he's a heel. In fact White may be more hated in the States than he is in Japan, which is kind of the opposite of what you'd want. He's....a heel. You want him to be hated, so people pay money to see him get beat.... For me personally, it's just too 'meta'. My distaste for Jay is based on "Switchblade" being such a lame gimmick, not because he's such an amazing heel.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Nov 5, 2018 19:56:38 GMT -5
I'm excited for the big three matches. I've especially enjoyed the build to Naito/Jericho. I would agree that it didn't need the title for it to be a blood feud, but I don't necessarily mind it. As someone who can't watch all the promos, I can only assume the IC title is there as an avatar for Naito's mojo/honor and that's why Jericho doesn't want a rematch. He loves that he snuck in and beat up the hottest act and took his belt, and he's been gorging via NJPW's platform to bolster his name. The last thing he wants is to lose to this Japanese guy when he's been denigrating Japan. After his slump this year, Naito has reason to put this guy behind him and reclaim a top spot in the company. Personally this version is the most I've enjoyed Jericho in several years . His look is sleazier and his work has changed to compliment both it and his limitations.
Like others, my issue is wishing other talents were in slots with equal personal weight. I hated seeing Juice lose the title just to give Cody a platform for the triple threat. He could've defended it here against a top guy like Ishii/Suzuki to see if he can hang in the brightest lights. Ibushi in particular should have had something going on besides a side character in the Tanahashi/Omega build. Him and Goto could be amazing but it's malpractice for him to not have something lined up already.
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Post by Chris Legentil -- Mind Freak on Nov 5, 2018 19:58:18 GMT -5
Well I mean it's bizarre to try and push a guy for western audiences if he's a heel. In fact White may be more hated in the States than he is in Japan, which is kind of the opposite of what you'd want. He's....a heel. You want him to be hated, so people pay money to see him get beat.... Therein lies the problem though, cause tbh I don't think even Jay White's dog would pay to see Jay White do anything.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 5, 2018 20:02:58 GMT -5
Sick and tired of Omega and the Lame Ass Elite bullshit.
Sick and tired of Jericho and his wide self having just okay matches.
I wish they'd go form their own promotion on a boat or whatever the hell they're into.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 5, 2018 20:12:06 GMT -5
Sick and tired of Omega and the Lame Ass Elite bullshit. Sick and tired of Jericho and his wide self having just okay matches. I wish they'd go form their own promotion on a boat or whatever the hell they're into. They peaked, and now there's nowhere else to go.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 5, 2018 20:13:08 GMT -5
Sick and tired of Omega and the Lame Ass Elite bullshit. Sick and tired of Jericho and his wide self having just okay matches. I wish they'd go form their own promotion on a boat or whatever the hell they're into. They peaked, and now there's nowhere else to go. How about space? Where no one can hear you cut cringy promos.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 5, 2018 20:40:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I never thought I'd say this, but The Elite has made me f***ing sick of Kenny Omega.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 5, 2018 23:11:24 GMT -5
Hopefully, they give Tana one last run
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 23:18:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty hyped for the main event, personally. I wish Jericho/Naito had different opponents (I will be so disappointed if we don't get Suzuki/Jericho before Jericho's time is done in NJPW) but it should be a good/great match anyways. I really like the Jay White/Okada feud so I'm looking forward to that as well. Not an on paper blow away card or anything but there's no doubt that it'll be a great show.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 5, 2018 23:21:01 GMT -5
Still say this is a big waste of time for Naito as well
Jericho shouldn't be having more than one match with the same person and you only put the IC title on Naito to give it to Jericho
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 5, 2018 23:27:05 GMT -5
See, I think all this "What will the Elite do?" nonsense has sabotaged the main event build in a way that NJPW can't really control. I don't think the Young Bucks are even going to be on this card because there's nowhere to put them since they're not in the Jr. title match and won't be in the Heavy tag title match either since that goes to the World Tag League winner. Personally I kinda wish Omega would just distance himself from these other guys and be a solo act in NJPW and tag with Ibushi otherwise. He pretty much already does.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 5, 2018 23:28:35 GMT -5
I always say this but seriously. If WWE had a guy as over as Naito and did what New Japan did with him, there would be riots in the streets about it. Naito wasn't some flash in the pan meme WWE sensation like Sandow or Fandango. He was a legit superstar that was getting superstar reactions and they've done nothing with it.
I know "NJPW has earned the benefit of the doubt" but there's a limit. Naito lost to Okada and then fell off the face of the earth. Got his ass insulted and handed to him by a fat old WWE guy and a year later he's back in the second on the card spinning the wheels spot. He literally hasn't made any movement character wise in a year and he's gone down card wise.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Nov 5, 2018 23:32:26 GMT -5
Naito deserves so much better than this.
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Post by corndog on Nov 6, 2018 1:28:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I never thought I'd say this, but The Elite has made me f***ing sick of Kenny Omega. Kenny Omega's crappy title reign has made me sick of Kenny Omega. Also, the "will he, won't he leave" crap doesn't help. Honestly, I am just ready for New Beginnings. I think Wrestle Kingdom will be a solid show and not all of the booking has sucked, I have enjoyed Tanahashi's fall and rise along with the Jay White and Okada storyline, but I am ready for things to change. Putting the belt back on Kushida is boring, even though the Ishimori match will be awesome. Naito needs to get back on top and Omega can just leave already. Also, what the heck are they doing with Juice?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 6, 2018 5:28:20 GMT -5
Naito deserves so much better than this. It feels like he was mostly used to put over ZSJ (gag me) this year. What a waste.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2018 5:45:51 GMT -5
This is the first time in years that I've seen the initial WK card and not been immediately hype at all tbh Same, to be honest. Like, I kinda want to see Tanahashi defeat Omega, but I am not terribly interested in the title match if the belt doesn't change hands. I'm also not really wowed by any of the other matches yet.
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