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Post by agent817 on Nov 27, 2018 17:45:10 GMT -5
No real answer besides the logistical monetary one. Franchises like Fast and Furious and Mission Impossible came back from 2F2F and M:I 2 respectively (neither were failures either for that matter). Especially for the last decade, this is just the cinematic world we live in. People aren't going to the movies. Studios are naturally relentless when it comes properties that have succeeded at a time. The franchises I would say at least felt to be slogging recently are Pirates & Transformers. But again, Dead Men Tell No Tales wasn't what they wanted, but it wasn't a huge failure either. And who knows what the reboot will entail. Also, Bumblebee is getting a lot of positive traction, which goes to show all it takes is a refreshing twist to reinvigorate a franchise. And if rumors are believed, they have like 12 other Transformers films planned. Another that might be finding itself in this position is this Fantastic Beasts shit. First was a moderate hit. Second is way more polarizing. But there's still money to be made from Harry Potters stale corpse. Don't be surprised if they take a drastic turn for the next installment. The funny thing about Bumblebee is that I am actually willing to watch it in theaters, even if I watch it for free with a free ticket. As far as the main movies go, I would put 1 and 3 over the others, especially considering how I didn't hate the fifth one, even though I didn't think much of it. Another complaint about the Fast & Furious franchise that cracks me up so much is when people talk about they "miss the racing" or "I remember when it used to be about racing." Yeah right. Okay, I get that the first film had multiple race scenes, but the main plot was an undercover cop infiltrating a racing circuit to gain info on truck heists. Just like how the second film's plot was about trying to bring down a drug lord. Only Tokyo Drift had racing in the plot.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 27, 2018 18:17:15 GMT -5
Wow I disagree about there beeing too many Fast And The Furious movies,in fact the 2 worst movies in the series are early entries 2 Fast 2 Furious and Tokyo Drifter. The lattest installments were 2 of the best
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 27, 2018 18:19:14 GMT -5
I can kinda see Scott's logic at the time though. In 1999-2000 there really hadn't been any real blockbuster Marvel movies (Blade was a fairly decent hit, but not especially marketed as a comic film). Scott knew 100% that being in M:I:2 would be lucrative since Cruise was the biggest star on earth and it was a surefire blockbuster. There was a very serious chance X-Men could have sucked. Of course it didn't end up sucking and instead launched Jackman's career, while Scott got to be a one movie bad guy and his career stalled in the long term. As far as Thandie Newton's character goes, I am so insanely sick of overpowered female characters these days that beat up a room full of men single handed that seeing a more feasible female character was refreshing. You know if they did that movie now Thandie would kill half of Ambrose's men. With the MI series you get female characters that are useless (Thandie Newton) or laughably overpowered (Rebecca Ferguson in Rogue Nation, not as much in Fallout). Paula Patton's agent in Ghost Protocol was probably the best balanced female character, able to hold her own in the field but not killing a room full of opponents or outracing and outfoxing everyone on a motorcycle.
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Post by Fade on Nov 27, 2018 18:39:11 GMT -5
I can kinda see Scott's logic at the time though. In 1999-2000 there really hadn't been any real blockbuster Marvel movies (Blade was a fairly decent hit, but not especially marketed as a comic film). Scott knew 100% that being in M:I:2 would be lucrative since Cruise was the biggest star on earth and it was a surefire blockbuster. There was a very serious chance X-Men could have sucked. Of course it didn't end up sucking and instead launched Jackman's career, while Scott got to be a one movie bad guy and his career stalled in the long term. As far as Thandie Newton's character goes, I am so insanely sick of overpowered female characters these days that beat up a room full of men single handed that seeing a more feasible female character was refreshing. You know if they did that movie now Thandie would kill half of Ambrose's men. With the MI series you get female characters that are useless (Thandie Newton) or laughably overpowered (Rebecca Ferguson in Rogue Nation, not as much in Fallout). Paula Patton's agent in Ghost Protocol was probably the best balanced female character, able to hold her own in the field but not killing a room full of opponents or outracing and outfoxing everyone on a motorcycle. IIRC correctly it wasn't much Scott's choice. I think he or Cruise got injured which delayed/extended shoots and Singer and X-Men had to start so they went with Jackman but Acott was the guy intended to play him. This is one of those insane bonkers "what ifs" that I think would of played out disastrously had he ended up playing Wolverine.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Nov 28, 2018 2:11:33 GMT -5
When the sequels go straight to video...for example the American Pie series and a few of the "Ernest Goes To" film franchise.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 28, 2018 3:25:06 GMT -5
I think it depends, if the second movie is basically remaking the first movie then any sequel is probably too many, but if they are still telling good stories 5 movies in then it's not enough
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 28, 2018 5:21:55 GMT -5
When they have citizens on patrol or go to Moscow you shut your mouth! Police Academy: Mission to Moscow is the pinnacle of filmmaking. it's up there with The Godfather and Citizen Kane in the holy trinity of cinema. hacks like Scorsese and Spielberg wish they could come up with something half as good.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 28, 2018 10:21:54 GMT -5
When the sequels go straight to video...for example the American Pie series and a few of the "Ernest Goes To" film franchise. Ernest Goes to Africa....oof.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Nov 28, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -5
I think it depends, if the second movie is basically remaking the first movie then any sequel is probably too many, but if they are still telling good stories 5 movies in then it's not enough What about Evil Dead 2? Everybody involved basically said they just remade Evil Dead.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 28, 2018 15:38:49 GMT -5
I think it depends, if the second movie is basically remaking the first movie then any sequel is probably too many, but if they are still telling good stories 5 movies in then it's not enough What about Evil Dead 2? Everybody involved basically said they just remade Evil Dead. Yeah there is exceptions to the rule such as Evil Dead 2 I would mean more something like Hangover 2
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Post by salz4life on Nov 28, 2018 15:41:53 GMT -5
For me, when the story is over. Once a series reaches a good, satisfactory conclusion but they decide to keep going is when it's too much. Star Wars wrapped up perfectly at the end of Jedi. The new films should be set in a different time period-- The Mandalore Wars would have been great. Toy Story 3 wrapped up the series fine. Four will probably be good, but it isn't needed. Agree with you on Toy Story. 3 was such a perfect ending. I will definitely see 4, but I'm really scared it is going to sour that perfect ending of 3.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 28, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -5
When the story ends up "IN SPACE" it's either the highest or lowest point in the franchise.
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Post by Juice on Nov 28, 2018 16:07:18 GMT -5
I diagree with a lot. Every Saw film for instance built a mythology and world built.
When a franchise quits being good is when there's too many. And even then the next may be better. Fast and the Furious in the middle of the series was suberb in relation to 2 fast and Tokyo Drift and adding The Rock was a good call too.
We may be bored by a franchise at some point but if they are making money they will make them.
I quit with the Fast films and Pirates Dead Men Tell no Tales, but Ibwas more annoyed with Pirates eliminating the cast for Depp and they brought them back last time. So I may netflix it
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 28, 2018 16:37:33 GMT -5
When the story ends up "IN SPACE" it's either the highest or lowest point in the franchise. What about going to the hood... twice?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 29, 2018 2:22:59 GMT -5
Generally in horror films it's when they are set in space despite never having anything to do with space in the previous films.
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Post by Paul on Nov 29, 2018 3:55:01 GMT -5
Generally in horror films it's when they are set in space despite never having anything to do with space in the previous films. I love every single time this happens (Hellraiser, Critters, Friday The 13th, Leprechaun).
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 29, 2018 4:53:39 GMT -5
Generally in horror films it's when they are set in space despite never having anything to do with space in the previous films. I love every single time this happens (Hellraiser, Critters, Friday The 13th, Leprechaun). Critters did have a lot to do with space before that movie, though.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 29, 2018 6:17:07 GMT -5
Your friend was especially ridiculous citing the Fast and Furious movies because the fifth one was the first to get any kind of praise and critical success simultaneously. That said, there are almost no franchises that you can say that about the fifth instalment for.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Nov 29, 2018 6:38:15 GMT -5
Your friend was especially ridiculous citing the Fast and Furious movies because the fifth one was the first to get any kind of praise and critical success simultaneously. That said, there are almost no franchises that you can say that about the fifth instalment for. Again, the Mission: Impossible movies are still making mega millions, and all six have pretty much been critically successful as well.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 29, 2018 8:14:42 GMT -5
Your friend was especially ridiculous citing the Fast and Furious movies because the fifth one was the first to get any kind of praise and critical success simultaneously. That said, there are almost no franchises that you can say that about the fifth instalment for. Again, the Mission: Impossible movies are still making mega millions, and all six have pretty much been critically successful as well. This is true, but also extremely rare. Discounting movie series that have arcs preset like the later Star Wars trilogies what other movie series can claim this?
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