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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 30, 2018 18:59:48 GMT -5
I think top stars going over Triple H is still a way to be elevated. He’s still credible and relevant. Punk's replacement in that match did okay for himself out of it. The match worked great for Bryan. He was a plucky underdog that needed to beat the odds. That's the only way to come out ahead in a Triple H match. CM Punk was a multi time world champion and the longest reigning of the modern era. Triple H's dominating style would have made Punk look like crap regardless of who won.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 30, 2018 19:39:55 GMT -5
yeh Punk was the number 1 or two star at the time. And the story NEEDED to be Bryan . Punk vs Triple H would have helped no one but Triple H Why does it only have to help someone? Why can’t it just be a matchup of two stars or two equals? When i say helpo nobodies I mean the company too. Bryan vs Triple H was the money match and CM Punk vs Triple H...i feel like people would already go in with low expectations and the match would be just okay, as people said before because Triple H need to play a style it would not fit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 19:44:35 GMT -5
the only thing Punk wants to do with wrestling is collect his prowrestlingtees money
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 20:05:36 GMT -5
I think this is the case, it be interesting to see if there have been any studies into this. I've read about training your body to take 20 min naps every 2 hours so that when you sleep you instantly go into REM sleep. They say if you do you can get by with 2-4 hours of sleep after that. If you do not literally go crazy or have major health problems from the lack of sufficient REM until your body is trained. "Kramer? It's 4 o'clock in the morning. What are you doing here?" "I'm bored."
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Post by Ganon83 on Dec 30, 2018 20:12:38 GMT -5
Yep, and vice versa, since they knew the other one would be up. One of the things people tend to comment on if they follow Vince's private schedule due to working close with him is how astonishingly little he seems to sleep. IIRC his routine is something along the lines of bed at midnight-1am, wake around 4am, and be in the gym by 4:30. I would say that's really not healthy, but the man is 72, built like a statue, with decades of steroid use and at least a few years of coke use in the 80s, hasn't had any health issues that we know of, and will probably outlive us all, so what do I know? I'll add to this that back in the mid-2000's, his schedule was probably even more crazy. No sleep from Sunday to end of Smackdown tapings followed by a 20 hour power nap on Wednesday.
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Post by Ganon83 on Dec 30, 2018 20:30:45 GMT -5
Why does it only have to help someone? Why can’t it just be a matchup of two stars or two equals? When i say helpo nobodies I mean the company too. Bryan vs Triple H was the money match and CM Punk vs Triple H...i feel like people would already go in with low expectations and the match would be just okay, as people said before because Triple H need to play a style it would not fit. No, the money match was Bryan wrestling for the championship. Without the triple threat stipulation, Bryan-Hunter would have still been the best match on the card. But Bryan was already the most over guy in the company and didn't need Hunter to put him over. The show would have also bombed live and for the network if there was no stipulation in that match.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 30, 2018 20:38:25 GMT -5
When i say helpo nobodies I mean the company too. Bryan vs Triple H was the money match and CM Punk vs Triple H...i feel like people would already go in with low expectations and the match would be just okay, as people said before because Triple H need to play a style it would not fit. No, the money match was Bryan wrestling for the championship. Without the triple threat stipulation, Bryan-Hunter would have still been the best match on the card. But Bryan was already the most over guy in the company and didn't need Hunter to put him over. The show would have also bombed live and for the network if there was no stipulation in that match. That ius fair point,I completely forgot the Triple H Bryan match wasnt for the title itself.
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 30, 2018 21:37:41 GMT -5
I think top stars going over Triple H is still a way to be elevated. He’s still credible and relevant. Punk's replacement in that match did okay for himself out of it. Bryan did OK for himself because Punk walked out. If Punk hadn't walked, PUnk would have wrestled Triple H at 'mania, Batista would have won the title against Orton in the main event, and the Yes Movement probably wouldn't have happened, with Bryan probably in a midcard ladder match or something. Don't misconstrue what I'm saying. Daniel Bryan capitalized and 100% earned his spot, and turned that opportunity into a huge career boom. But the fans were warmed up to it because they were fired up over Punk walking out, and Bryan was the next guy they would all get behind.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Dec 30, 2018 22:27:03 GMT -5
I have heard the Colt Cabana podcast. Several times. It seems like he and Vince would disagree at times, but it seems like Hunter was going out of his way to hold him down.
Punk has casual complaints about Vince, but he even imitated Hunter's voice in that podcast.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 31, 2018 4:53:58 GMT -5
I think Vince became a fan for life after the Tony Atlas thing where Punk basically told Atlas to go f*** himself. Vince loves stuff like that. Also in my headcanon HHH had it in for Punk ever since that survivor series where the crowd interrupted the standard corny DX promo with CM Punk chants. Based on the Cabana podcast this seems less headcanon and more or less what actually happened. HHH has pulled a blinder in making himself seem like the fans' saviour of WWE booking. But then again this guy not only politicked himself & Nash in the main event during the Summer of Punk, but got his buddy Nash the headline slot for a Hall of Fame. And I mean, I like Nash and think he's very unfairly maligned as a performer these days, but even then, he was never a singles star who was really headline-HOF material. The nWo, sure. But putting Nash on his own top bill is basically licence to put any world champion top bill. All in all, I expect there will be others like Punk when HHH takes over, and I doubt the two ever bury the hatchet unless someone else, probably Vince, forces the reconciliation.
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Post by TGM on Dec 31, 2018 5:05:18 GMT -5
I think Vince became a fan for life after the Tony Atlas thing where Punk basically told Atlas to go f*** himself. Vince loves stuff like that. Also in my headcanon HHH had it in for Punk ever since that survivor series where the crowd interrupted the standard corny DX promo with CM Punk chants. Based on the Cabana podcast this seems less headcanon and more or less what actually happened. HHH has pulled a blinder in making himself seem like the fans' saviour of WWE booking. But then again this guy not only politicked himself & Nash in the main event during the Summer of Punk, but got his buddy Nash the headline slot for a Hall of Fame. And I mean, I like Nash and think he's very unfairly maligned as a performer these days, but even then, he was never a singles star who was really headline-HOF material. The nWo, sure. But putting Nash on his own top bill is basically licence to put any world champion top bill. All in all, I expect there will be others like Punk when HHH takes over, and I doubt the two ever bury the hatchet unless someone else, probably Vince, forces the reconciliation. Savage headlined the HoF that year, not Nash.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 31, 2018 5:16:31 GMT -5
Based on the Cabana podcast this seems less headcanon and more or less what actually happened. HHH has pulled a blinder in making himself seem like the fans' saviour of WWE booking. But then again this guy not only politicked himself & Nash in the main event during the Summer of Punk, but got his buddy Nash the headline slot for a Hall of Fame. And I mean, I like Nash and think he's very unfairly maligned as a performer these days, but even then, he was never a singles star who was really headline-HOF material. The nWo, sure. But putting Nash on his own top bill is basically licence to put any world champion top bill. All in all, I expect there will be others like Punk when HHH takes over, and I doubt the two ever bury the hatchet unless someone else, probably Vince, forces the reconciliation. Savage headlined the HoF that year, not Nash. Ah shit my bad. I thought Savage was the year before. I retract that comment then.
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Post by TGM on Dec 31, 2018 5:37:12 GMT -5
Savage headlined the HoF that year, not Nash. Ah shit my bad. I thought Savage was the year before. I retract that comment then. I mean, you're not wrong about Nash not deserving a headline HoF spot though.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 31, 2018 11:50:26 GMT -5
yeh Punk was the number 1 or two star at the time. And the story NEEDED to be Bryan . Punk vs Triple H would have helped no one but Triple H Why does it only have to help someone? Why can’t it just be a matchup of two stars or two equals? I think it just wouldn't have worked in that circumstance, because they were at two such different points in their careers. If Trips was still a full-time wrestler, then sure, you could bill it as the final confrontation, use it to tell the story of the younger Punk stepping up and fully dethroning Trips (kind of what they tried to do with Rollins recently), but Hunter was already a part-timer at that stage so you couldn't really do the "two equals" story anymore, and with it being two stars there just wasn't an interesting story to tell, especially given how they had already gone at one another before. Punk was right: there was nothing to be gained from another Punk/Trips match, not for Punk, not in terms of storylines, not for the WWE itself.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 31, 2018 13:14:22 GMT -5
Why does it only have to help someone? Why can’t it just be a matchup of two stars or two equals? I think it just wouldn't have worked in that circumstance, because they were at two such different points in their careers. If Trips was still a full-time wrestler, then sure, you could bill it as the final confrontation, use it to tell the story of the younger Punk stepping up and fully dethroning Trips (kind of what they tried to do with Rollins recently), but Hunter was already a part-timer at that stage so you couldn't really do the "two equals" story anymore, and with it being two stars there just wasn't an interesting story to tell, especially given how they had already gone at one another before. Punk was right: there was nothing to be gained from another Punk/Trips match, not for Punk, not in terms of storylines, not for the WWE itself. They started the build for it on the episode of Raw before the title unification match (the same show that got hijacked by Bryan chants) and the crowd seemed into it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2018 13:19:34 GMT -5
I think it just wouldn't have worked in that circumstance, because they were at two such different points in their careers. If Trips was still a full-time wrestler, then sure, you could bill it as the final confrontation, use it to tell the story of the younger Punk stepping up and fully dethroning Trips (kind of what they tried to do with Rollins recently), but Hunter was already a part-timer at that stage so you couldn't really do the "two equals" story anymore, and with it being two stars there just wasn't an interesting story to tell, especially given how they had already gone at one another before. Punk was right: there was nothing to be gained from another Punk/Trips match, not for Punk, not in terms of storylines, not for the WWE itself. They started the build for it on the episode of Raw before the title unification match (the same show that got hijacked by Bryan chants) and the crowd seemed into it. I don’t think there would have been much doubt about the crowd being into it should the match have happened (of course, the other wildcard being how whatever Bryan would have done affected things one way or the other). Problem was that neither of the wrestlers may have been into it because of the personality and ego clash.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 1, 2019 1:01:01 GMT -5
Based on the Cabana podcast this seems less headcanon and more or less what actually happened. HHH has pulled a blinder in making himself seem like the fans' saviour of WWE booking. But then again this guy not only politicked himself & Nash in the main event during the Summer of Punk, but got his buddy Nash the headline slot for a Hall of Fame. And I mean, I like Nash and think he's very unfairly maligned as a performer these days, but even then, he was never a singles star who was really headline-HOF material. The nWo, sure. But putting Nash on his own top bill is basically licence to put any world champion top bill. All in all, I expect there will be others like Punk when HHH takes over, and I doubt the two ever bury the hatchet unless someone else, probably Vince, forces the reconciliation. Savage headlined the HoF that year, not Nash. Savage may have been the headliner, but Nash was inducted last that night. He got the "main event" slot, if you will.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 1:15:33 GMT -5
Punk's replacement in that match did okay for himself out of it. Bryan did OK for himself because Punk walked out. If Punk hadn't walked, PUnk would have wrestled Triple H at 'mania, Batista would have won the title against Orton in the main event, and the Yes Movement probably wouldn't have happened, with Bryan probably in a midcard ladder match or something. Don't misconstrue what I'm saying. Daniel Bryan capitalized and 100% earned his spot, and turned that opportunity into a huge career boom. But the fans were warmed up to it because they were fired up over Punk walking out, and Bryan was the next guy they would all get behind. I dunno, Punk or no Punk the fervor for Bryan was pretty undeniable. The fans were publicly lambasting WWE on TV for months heading into WrestleMania season, and even the Rumble itself before it was known Punk was leaving. Punk would've got the Hunter match but it was main event or bust for Bryan.
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Post by dreidemy on Jan 1, 2019 2:00:10 GMT -5
Punk will return after defeating HHH on a UFC match with Vince as the ref
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 1, 2019 2:12:12 GMT -5
For someone in Hunter's position he is awfully insecure about up and comers who have the ability to outshine him. In wrestling there's always the phrase of "never say never". I do believe Punk will return to the WWE in some fashion and it'll be because Vince managed to broker him a deal, keep him away from Hunter, and he will main event WrestleMania.
I feel like that's the only way Punk will agree to a return is if he has little to no contact with Hunter or Stephanie. Here's hoping it actually happens before Vince passes away(God forbid). If Vince dies before then it'll never happen.
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