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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2019 14:22:57 GMT -5
WCW, because it killed WWE creatively too.
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Post by Hickster on Jan 1, 2019 15:13:02 GMT -5
the collapse of World Class seems ultra depressing in retrospect. I cheered when Eric Embry beat PY Chu-Hi, but it seemed sad to watch the banner with Kevin VE get torn down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 18:13:37 GMT -5
I think the AWA might be up there. To still be taping and then Verne is like “f*** it, just cut up old matches” was the true sign of him throwing the towel in,
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Post by illiniman88 on Jan 1, 2019 18:29:12 GMT -5
WCW
The day wrestling died
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Post by benstudd on Jan 3, 2019 1:55:46 GMT -5
WCW because I mean two years before we are in the tick of the Monday Night Wars, these are hitting 6s, it's Heaven for wrestling fans and then boom it's over. It is mind-boggling when you think about it.
But at the same time from 99 on, WCW had become such a crap product that when they closed, you lamented the passing of an old friend that used to be cool and seeing the pathetic shape they had turned into, it was mercy killing and while I wish they would get better(and this "Big Bang" showed promise of a better future), the Death of WCW happened at a period where it was the best time possible for it to end cause as a fan you didn't care as much cause your old friend had degenerated into such a sorry state. If WCW had died in 1998, it would have been horrible. Now it was "OK I can accept that". Much as if TNA would die now.
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Post by sfvega on Jan 3, 2019 8:52:06 GMT -5
WCW. It was the promotion I enjoyed the most as a child and into my early teen years. It reached stunning heights that other promotions did not. Their going under drastically changed the landscape of wrestling, in a way that really no other promotion closing did to that extent. And just the way it closed was the worst. The end for a long-standing, major promotion came shockingly quickly. And the way the news was delivered was just the worst. Vince coming on WCW air, a cardinal sin, with his shit-eating grin, and shoehorning this major wrestling news into another in a long line of stupid, convoluted McMahon family storylines. The fact that the last Nitro featured the McMahons. That WCW ended in the most WWF way. That we didn't get this proper send-off by the people there and instead, everything had to be run by the opposition. It wasn't in an arena, it was a smaller gimmick beach Nitro. It seemed surreal, like a bad dream. And I won't watch it again. It just sucked.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 3, 2019 16:21:33 GMT -5
I taped the last Nitro, I still have it. I was unable to watch it until I caught the OSW review of it, because that day really ended a part of my fandom which you can't explain to someone who didnt live it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 17:11:56 GMT -5
I tend to think that WCW is sort of the objective answer to this very subjective question. There’s never been a bigger, more rapid, fall from grace, not just in wrestling, but in all of entertainment. Watching 1997-era WCW on the network, with those humongous gates and the unprecedented cultural relevance is almost surreal now to know that, less than a half-decade later it would be completely out of business. And, as others have pointed out, the cataclysmic effect it had on the business cannot be overstated. Really, the death of WCW is the exact moment that can be pinpointed where professional wrestling began its descent from culturally accepted and relevant appointment viewing back to the niche form of entertainment that really only appeals to a small, established, fan base. And, honestly, that descent is continuing to this day.
It’s such a mixed bag though. I remember 11 year old me being absolutely stoked that WWF had “won.” I was so excited for all the dream matches we were going to get to see and WCW guys proving themselves in the “better” WWF. Now, I look back on it, and realize I’d give anything for one more night at 8 years old, laying in bed falling asleep while watching RAW only for my dad to run upstairs and jostle me awake to tell me the Giant had joined the NWO.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 3, 2019 17:25:39 GMT -5
For me, it'll always be ECW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 17:56:08 GMT -5
I cried on the last episode of Nitro and despised Vince and WWE for years after he interrupted the last episode to gloat about it.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jan 3, 2019 23:06:34 GMT -5
I'm still mourning WCW dying. I put on WCW shows, like 1991 Power Hours, and just pretend it never ended.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 3, 2019 23:17:57 GMT -5
Honestly I've never really found any promotion dying all that sad. I wasn't really watching yet when WCCW had all of their misfortunes, so I have no real emotional connection to it. I was kinda watching the AWA through the lens of Memphis wrestling but once Lawler and Jarrett pulled up stakes it was off the radar, so I had no emotional connection to it. Even the USWA really didn't upset me since it was just kinda not around one day, but OVW was starting up by then so if I wanted low rent rasslin it was literally near me.
WCW dying didn't upset me at all. Maybe it did in retrospect given what the business turned into, but at the time? Nah. WCW earned their fate 10x over. ECW was a little sadder, but I figured the talented people there would get jobs in the WWF (which they did) so it was okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 23:33:00 GMT -5
not necessarily an end of a promotion but I still relate WWF and WWE as two different properties...I was and still am a bit depressed about that old logo and the change to the 'E...Using an edited version of it as the "Legend" or legacy logo still pisses me off to this day
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 4, 2019 7:05:29 GMT -5
World Class is the saddest ending, to me. AWA has a good shout, too, but World Class is just a level by itself.
They were, though, both before my time watching. So on a personal level, WCW folding was a mixture of sadness at what had been and relief due to what was.
And despite it (also) being so much due to their own idiocy, the collapse of TNA from a fairly stable second major promotion in North America and packed with star names to a glorified indy with a dwindling tv deal is very sad as well.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 4, 2019 7:05:36 GMT -5
WCW. We were teased with a new beginning, an emphasis on rising stars, cruisers and signs the there were good things to cone after the Russo years... Then poof. Here's Vince! Yeah, it's easy to forget because of how dire things were from mid 99 onward, but (TV deal stuff aside) I've always maintained that there was some momentum beginning to build and had WCW been given another 6 months, it might have survived
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Post by The Barber on Jan 4, 2019 7:33:02 GMT -5
not necessarily an end of a promotion but I still relate WWF and WWE as two different properties...I was and still am a bit depressed about that old logo and the change to the 'E...Using an edited version of it as the "Legend" or legacy logo still pisses me off to this day I agree.
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Post by Guacamole Anderson on Jan 4, 2019 8:33:58 GMT -5
Mid-South/UWF due to the way it was just swept under the rug when bought out by Crockett. To me, this is the original "botched invasion angle."
ECW for all the reasons mentioned earlier in this thread.
World Class is my pick, though. Three suicides in one family is still numbing, even decades after the fact.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 4, 2019 8:39:48 GMT -5
For me WCW, I mean, I freaking loved WCW. It was just as responsible for me becoming a fan as WWE. Seeing the Ultimate Warrior search the backstage for Macho King is what hooked me, but WCW was much more accessible to me at first. For some reason, as a kid, it was really hard to get WWE’s schedule down originally. In like 1991, their show bounced around when it was aired a lot in my area.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 10:06:13 GMT -5
WCW. We were teased with a new beginning, an emphasis on rising stars, cruisers and signs the there were good things to cone after the Russo years... Then poof. Here's Vince! Yeah, it's easy to forget because of how dire things were from mid 99 onward, but (TV deal stuff aside) I've always maintained that there was some momentum beginning to build and had WCW been given another 6 months, it might have survived The sad thing is they had the resources to keep WCW afloat and they just chose not to. It's ironic that WCW was kept afloat for so many years because they were a subsidiary of a cable network with endless resources, then in the end it's being a subsidiary instead of an autonomous company that killed them.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 4, 2019 10:37:08 GMT -5
Despite not living in San Francisco and it ending before I was born Roy Shire's Big Time Wrestling closing its doors really tore me up.
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