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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Dec 31, 2018 22:59:04 GMT -5
I mean he's got to be up there right? All he ever did was stab, punch, and headbutt people. What's the appeal?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 31, 2018 23:16:28 GMT -5
I mean he's got to be up there right? All he ever did was stab, punch, and headbutt people. What's the appeal? Had a wicked standing elbow drop, too. That's all he ever did at the tail end of his career, but you have to remember, he'd been active since 1958. He was already nearing his 50s during his World Class feud with Brody, and was 58 at the Heroes of Wrestling PPV debacle. Earlier Abdullah was by no means the worst wrestler in any category. Legit martial artist and much lighter. Got heavier and less mobile with each passing year, though. Truth, though, is that he found a gimmick that worked, and worked for over 40+ years with him having to do minimal effort.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 23:18:52 GMT -5
Big Daddy.
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Post by TGM on Jan 1, 2019 0:08:32 GMT -5
Raja Lion is certainly the worst wrestler I've ever seen but I dunno how popular he was.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 1, 2019 0:17:47 GMT -5
He's not even in the bottom 10 imo.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jan 1, 2019 0:29:23 GMT -5
Picked up a bunch of 70s All Japan shows, and his matches were much more interesting. He was a lot faster.
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Post by eJm on Jan 1, 2019 0:32:17 GMT -5
Pretty much this. It’s literally been the last couple of years that mainstream outlets have realised that British wrestling moved on from him and Giant Heystacks YEARS ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 0:34:52 GMT -5
Ding ding ding As Madison pointed out, Abby got worse as he got older and more immobile. Daddy sucked so bad when he was built like an Adonis in his younger days that he bottomed out of the industry. It was only when his Brother began promoting bigger shows that his star rose.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 1, 2019 0:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by fw91 on Jan 1, 2019 0:49:04 GMT -5
Great Khali?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 0:57:06 GMT -5
Khali is a rather odd case. I mean, you take this bodybuilder dude from India and decide that he's going to be part of Chono's evil Team 2000 stable, rush him out there (but this is Antonio Inoki's New Japan at the time), but I personally tend to disqualify gangly people like him and Jorge Gonzalez, even if we have to deal with the Brian Ing incident where everyone involved didn't know how to do a flapjack that gave Ing brain damage he quickly died from. I try to look for people who aren't biologically maladjusted, so I think I'm gonna probably spend the next day or two thinking a bit hard about this.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 1, 2019 4:29:51 GMT -5
Tiger Jeet Singh? Never heard a good word said about him.
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Post by thetower52 on Jan 1, 2019 4:43:46 GMT -5
Just because he wasn’t s technical master doesn’t mean he wasn’t s great worker
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 1, 2019 6:21:06 GMT -5
Pretty much this. It’s literally been the last couple of years that mainstream outlets have realised that British wrestling moved on from him and Giant Heystacks YEARS ago. I wish I could agree but given the disappointment of the World of Sport comeback, I still feel that the majority of mainstream media stills think British wrestling is fat guys running into each other for your gran's amusement. The most frustrating thing about the Big Daddy crap is that in the 10-12 years before him, British wrestling was headlined by guys like Mick McManus, Jackie Pallo, Pat Roach, Kendo Nagasaki was all gimmick sure but still a better worker than Big Daddy, you'd got so many others too- Saint, Kidd, Mike Marino. And then Big Daddy comes along and because his brother is the booker he shitcans everyone else. At the time Big Daddy was on top you had Regal, Finlay, Mark Rocco, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy, Dave Taylor, Robbie Brookside and Chris Adams ALL coming through- a ludicrously talented generation there and even if you can criticise some of the 60s era guys for being bland or lacking personality that's not something you can say of this batch. And yet they pretty much unanimously did nothing on the British circuit because it was all about lardarse Crabtree. Big Daddy is the only winner of this question, because he didn't just make it big- he killed British wrestling to such an extent that 40 years on it's still trying to escape from his shadow as a laughable sideshow attraction fit only for Butlins. It's like if American wrestling built itself around Bastion Booger in the mid 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 7:19:42 GMT -5
Pretty much this. It’s literally been the last couple of years that mainstream outlets have realised that British wrestling moved on from him and Giant Heystacks YEARS ago. I wish I could agree but given the disappointment of the World of Sport comeback, I still feel that the majority of mainstream media stills think British wrestling is fat guys running into each other for your gran's amusement. The most frustrating thing about the Big Daddy crap is that in the 10-12 years before him, British wrestling was headlined by guys like Mick McManus, Jackie Pallo, Pat Roach, Kendo Nagasaki was all gimmick sure but still a better worker than Big Daddy, you'd got so many others too- Saint, Kidd, Mike Marino. And then Big Daddy comes along and because his brother is the booker he shitcans everyone else. At the time Big Daddy was on top you had Regal, Finlay, Mark Rocco, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy, Dave Taylor, Robbie Brookside and Chris Adams ALL coming through- a ludicrously talented generation there and even if you can criticise some of the 60s era guys for being bland or lacking personality that's not something you can say of this batch. And yet they pretty much unanimously did nothing on the British circuit because it was all about lardarse Crabtree. Big Daddy is the only winner of this question, because he didn't just make it big- he killed British wrestling to such an extent that 40 years on it's still trying to escape from his shadow as a laughable sideshow attraction fit only for Butlins. It's like if American wrestling built itself around Bastion Booger in the mid 90s. I have a theory that anyone who says they were a 'big fan' of old WoS but then immediately mentions Daddy and Haystacks never actually watched it. Obviously that's not entirely true as they drew 18 million viewers for their showdown on TV which is mental but I think the point largely stands if they appear to know nothing beyond those names.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 1, 2019 7:34:51 GMT -5
Nope, he was always a solid big guy brawler with a cool gimmick that got great heat at the time. He wasn’t the “workrate guy”, not his particular role.
As for Big Daddy- from what I’ve seen of classic WoS, he had some fun tag matches teaming with Akira Maeda and other dudes, and he definitely had charisma.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 1, 2019 7:35:15 GMT -5
I wish I could agree but given the disappointment of the World of Sport comeback, I still feel that the majority of mainstream media stills think British wrestling is fat guys running into each other for your gran's amusement. The most frustrating thing about the Big Daddy crap is that in the 10-12 years before him, British wrestling was headlined by guys like Mick McManus, Jackie Pallo, Pat Roach, Kendo Nagasaki was all gimmick sure but still a better worker than Big Daddy, you'd got so many others too- Saint, Kidd, Mike Marino. And then Big Daddy comes along and because his brother is the booker he shitcans everyone else. At the time Big Daddy was on top you had Regal, Finlay, Mark Rocco, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy, Dave Taylor, Robbie Brookside and Chris Adams ALL coming through- a ludicrously talented generation there and even if you can criticise some of the 60s era guys for being bland or lacking personality that's not something you can say of this batch. And yet they pretty much unanimously did nothing on the British circuit because it was all about lardarse Crabtree. Big Daddy is the only winner of this question, because he didn't just make it big- he killed British wrestling to such an extent that 40 years on it's still trying to escape from his shadow as a laughable sideshow attraction fit only for Butlins. It's like if American wrestling built itself around Bastion Booger in the mid 90s. I have a theory that anyone who says they were a 'big fan' of old WoS but then immediately mentions Daddy and Haystacks never actually watched it. Obviously that's not entirely true as they drew 18 million viewers for their showdown on TV which is mental but I think the point largely stands if they appear to know nothing beyond those names. I know exactly what you mean. Both my parents separately, and my grandfather watched the McManus-era World of Sport, and all tuned out once Big Daddy came along. My grandfather couldn't abide the WoS relaunch at all, because "Look at this fat lad in the mask. That's not wrestling it's a kid's panto." Daddy & Haystacks somehow drew an audience, but I remain convinced without any way of proving it that it was for the circus freakshow/comedic aspect, and the proof is self-evident that it subsequently killed the industry for decades here. FWA was the closest we got to a revival prior to the current boom and was horribly mismanaged, and even this boom isn't cracking TV anything like the pre-Daddy days.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 1, 2019 8:31:25 GMT -5
Depending on how you define “big”, Mabel?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 1, 2019 8:33:33 GMT -5
Also I’ve never watched his work that extensively, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Ultimate Warrior match that wasn’t a squash. Except for WM vs. Hogan dude seems to have an incredible dearth of matches that people remember fondly, and the added bonus of being a very unsafe worker with zero regard for his opponents.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 1, 2019 8:49:42 GMT -5
I have a theory that anyone who says they were a 'big fan' of old WoS but then immediately mentions Daddy and Haystacks never actually watched it. Obviously that's not entirely true as they drew 18 million viewers for their showdown on TV which is mental but I think the point largely stands if they appear to know nothing beyond those names. I know exactly what you mean. Both my parents separately, and my grandfather watched the McManus-era World of Sport, and all tuned out once Big Daddy came along. My grandfather couldn't abide the WoS relaunch at all, because "Look at this fat lad in the mask. That's not wrestling it's a kid's panto." Daddy & Haystacks somehow drew an audience, but I remain convinced without any way of proving it that it was for the circus freakshow/comedic aspect, and the proof is self-evident that it subsequently killed the industry for decades here. FWA was the closest we got to a revival prior to the current boom and was horribly mismanaged, and even this boom isn't cracking TV anything like the pre-Daddy days. And of course we have to look to the common ground of FWA and WoS to find the problem, and what a surprise, it's Alex Shane.
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