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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2019 14:02:41 GMT -5
Flippy floppy wrestling needs to rest in peace.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 4, 2019 14:57:03 GMT -5
Undertaker is right. People in here trying to discredit him because of his size or his character- not Takers fault he has a gimmick and made a fortune being able to play that gimmick. Other people need to find a way to stand out. And if everyone is doing a bajillion high spots, doing highspots doesn’t make you stand out.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 4, 2019 15:06:57 GMT -5
Undertaker is right. People in here trying to discredit him because of his size or his character- not Takers fault he has a gimmick and made a fortune being able to play that gimmick. Other people need to find a way to stand out. And if everyone is doing a bajillion high spots, doing highspots doesn’t make you stand out. It would help if Vince wasn't so damned afraid that anybody who stands out will leave him. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 4, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
He's not wrong, think about how the Suicide Dive is basically meaningless.
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2019 15:13:03 GMT -5
Undertaker is right. People in here trying to discredit him because of his size or his character- not Takers fault he has a gimmick and made a fortune being able to play that gimmick. Other people need to find a way to stand out. And if everyone is doing a bajillion high spots, doing highspots doesn’t make you stand out. It would help if Vince wasn't so damned afraid that anybody who stands out will leave him. That’s a key thing here. The last couple of people who stood out and became bigger stars were Rock and Cena and they’re both part timers at the LEAST. Also, the big reason why they’ve taken the “brand is bigger than anyone” stance was because Brock left them high and dry after a mega push we haven’t seen before or since. And why should they? The new USA and FOX deals aren’t off anyone becoming a star because ratings have dropped regardless, they’re off the fact WWE is still a consistent brand that has a certain built in audience. So what is their need to even have one main star outside of the routine of it? |
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Post by the2ndevil on Jan 5, 2019 14:15:31 GMT -5
This is reminding me of something on Twitter I saw this morning.
Jim Cornette was questioning a .gif of a spot from Ibushi/Osprey, where Ibushi looked to be doing a moonsault to the outside to the cameraman on the floor.
Someone tried to provide Cornette more context to the spot by posting a longer video of it, but that only made the spot worse, IMO, because there wasn’t a point that Ibushi shouldn’t have been able to see than Osprey had moved.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 6, 2019 12:51:24 GMT -5
Undertaker is right. People in here trying to discredit him because of his size or his character- not Takers fault he has a gimmick and made a fortune being able to play that gimmick. Other people need to find a way to stand out. And if everyone is doing a bajillion high spots, doing highspots doesn’t make you stand out. The problem is no one stands out anymore. Remember Taker came from a time where characters were embraced, no one looked or acted the same, and people appreciated the larger than life aspect of wrestling. Compare it to now where everyone looks and behaves the same. No one stands out anymore at all regardless of what Vince says. I think it's important to bring back the cool and colorful costumes, loud and brash personalities, and have the wrestlers actually behave like wrestlers. Get them off of social media and bring back kayfabe. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 6, 2019 15:42:12 GMT -5
"Flippy moves" has almost nothing to do with what's wrong with WWE today; the lack of compelling storylines, lack of character development, and lack of ring psychology/storytelling on the part of the people laying out their matches are the keys there, regardless of whatever moves some wrestlers are or aren't doing.
For example, Randy Orton isn't boring because he does a lot of chinlocks: Randy Orton is boring because nothing he does has any effect on his own character or anybody elses, he just has matches with people and then everybody moves on as if nothing happened. Cena's matches didn't suck because of the "five moves of doom", they sucked because they were telling stories nobody could buy into (Cena as underdog while actually treating him as an overwhelming favorite and just not admitting it).
The key to ring psychology and storytelling is that you try to make everything you do in the ring compelling, no matter how athletic or how simple. Just selling a body part isn't in and of itself psychological unless it's serving a greater story purpose; just so, a lack of selling an arm that was worked over isn't automatically bad storytelling, so long as it works within the context of the match. But unfortunately WWE doesn't really put any emphasis on telling stories in the ring or having its characters evolve and change over time outside of periodic perfunctory face and heel turns, so the talent is stuck in a "get your shit in!" mindset because they're not getting anything else to work with.
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