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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 20:26:26 GMT -5
Why do they have to “position themselves” a certain way before taking a top rope move?
You see it all the time. Somebody goes to the top rope and you can see their opponent “crawling” into position to take the move smoothly.
My question is not WHY they do it but why doesn’t the wrestler instead simply drag their opponent into position before doing the move? It looks more realistic and yet I can’t rememver the last time I’ve seen it happen.
While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back.
Name some things you never “got” in wrestling.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 6, 2019 20:31:02 GMT -5
Why do they have to “position themselves” a certain way before taking a top rope move? You see it all the time. Somebody goes to the top rope and you can see their opponent “crawling” into position to take the move smoothly. My question is not WHY they do it but why doesn’t the wrestler instead simply drag their opponent into position before doing the move? It looks more realistic and yet I can’t rememver the last time I’ve seen it happen. While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back. Name some things you never “got” in wrestling. 1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 20:35:19 GMT -5
Why do they have to “position themselves” a certain way before taking a top rope move? You see it all the time. Somebody goes to the top rope and you can see their opponent “crawling” into position to take the move smoothly. My question is not WHY they do it but why doesn’t the wrestler instead simply drag their opponent into position before doing the move? It looks more realistic and yet I can’t rememver the last time I’ve seen it happen. While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back. Name some things you never “got” in wrestling. 1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. It’s a weird one cause I feel the producers don’t WANT a wrestler to “drag an opponent into position”... purely because I’ve never seen this much. To me seeing Balor drag an opponent into position looks more realistic than somebody “adjusting themselves”. I’m just watching the Royal Rumble 2012 by the way. Miz and Cody Rhodes just happen to fall on top of each other so Kofi can do the Boom Drop... I was just thinking, why didn’t Kofi simply pull Miz on top of Cody before doing it? It looks less phony than Miz just happening to fall PERFECTLY in position on top of Cody... |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 6, 2019 23:41:00 GMT -5
1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. It’s a weird one cause I feel the producers don’t WANT a wrestler to “drag an opponent into position”... purely because I’ve never seen this much. To me seeing Balor drag an opponent into position looks more realistic than somebody “adjusting themselves”. I’m just watching the Royal Rumble 2012 by the way. Miz and Cody Rhodes just happen to fall on top of each other so Kofi can do the Boom Drop... I was just thinking, why didn’t Kofi simply pull Miz on top of Cody before doing it? It looks less phony than Miz just happening to fall PERFECTLY in position on top of Cody... I always had this issue with the 619. Reys setup always looked dumb because no one else ever fell on the rope after a dropkick or hurracanrana. Only with Rey. It would have looked less goofy if he knocked someone down and positioned them on the ropes himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 23:48:54 GMT -5
It’s a weird one cause I feel the producers don’t WANT a wrestler to “drag an opponent into position”... purely because I’ve never seen this much. To me seeing Balor drag an opponent into position looks more realistic than somebody “adjusting themselves”. I’m just watching the Royal Rumble 2012 by the way. Miz and Cody Rhodes just happen to fall on top of each other so Kofi can do the Boom Drop... I was just thinking, why didn’t Kofi simply pull Miz on top of Cody before doing it? It looks less phony than Miz just happening to fall PERFECTLY in position on top of Cody... I always had this issue with the 619. Reys setup always looked dumb because no one else ever fell on the rope after a dropkick or hurracanrana. Only with Rey. It would have looked less goofy if he knocked someone down and positioned them on the ropes himself. Honestly I've always thought that was a stupid complaint. Rey's finisher is dependent on getting them over the middle rope, it makes sense that he would've mastered hitting his dropkicks and hurricanranas with just the right amount of force and at the right angle to make guys land where he needed them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 23:52:50 GMT -5
I always had this issue with the 619. Reys setup always looked dumb because no one else ever fell on the rope after a dropkick or hurracanrana. Only with Rey. It would have looked less goofy if he knocked someone down and positioned them on the ropes himself. Honestly I've always thought that was a stupid complaint. Rey's finisher is dependent on getting them over the middle rope, it makes sense that he would've mastered hitting his dropkicks and hurricanranas with just the right amount of force and at the right angle to make guys land where he needed them. I remember his match against Cody Rhodes at Over the Limit 2011(?) where Rey used the poison mist to blind Cody before delivering the 619 to the stomach at a standing Cody. I remember thinking how much better it looked and I always wondered why he didn’t continue using this variation. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 7, 2019 3:18:54 GMT -5
Why do they have to “position themselves” a certain way before taking a top rope move? You see it all the time. Somebody goes to the top rope and you can see their opponent “crawling” into position to take the move smoothly. My question is not WHY they do it but why doesn’t the wrestler instead simply drag their opponent into position before doing the move? It looks more realistic and yet I can’t rememver the last time I’ve seen it happen. While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back. Name some things you never “got” in wrestling. 1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. Tanahashi sometimes does the frog splash on the guy’s back and he hasn’t injured anyone. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 7, 2019 3:20:46 GMT -5
It’s a weird one cause I feel the producers don’t WANT a wrestler to “drag an opponent into position”... purely because I’ve never seen this much. To me seeing Balor drag an opponent into position looks more realistic than somebody “adjusting themselves”. I’m just watching the Royal Rumble 2012 by the way. Miz and Cody Rhodes just happen to fall on top of each other so Kofi can do the Boom Drop... I was just thinking, why didn’t Kofi simply pull Miz on top of Cody before doing it? It looks less phony than Miz just happening to fall PERFECTLY in position on top of Cody... I always had this issue with the 619. Reys setup always looked dumb because no one else ever fell on the rope after a dropkick or hurracanrana. Only with Rey. It would have looked less goofy if he knocked someone down and positioned them on the ropes himself. It’s really hard to setup for the 619 because it was never supposed to be a finishing move, Rey only used it as a taunt in wcw. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 7, 2019 9:17:22 GMT -5
That was always my favorite thing about RVD's frog splash. His opponents never needed to do the awkward shuffle into position for him because he could turn midair and hit the thing perfectly.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 7, 2019 10:41:15 GMT -5
1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. Tanahashi sometimes does the frog splash on the guy’s back and he hasn’t injured anyone. I'm sure, and it happens, but usually for someone to let another worker come down on them like that, there has to be a LOT of trust between the two. It's the same reason several workers refused to take Warrior's running splash the way Warrior liked to do with the opponent face down. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 7, 2019 11:47:50 GMT -5
Tanahashi sometimes does the frog splash on the guy’s back and he hasn’t injured anyone. I'm sure, and it happens, but usually for someone to let another worker come down on them like that, there has to be a LOT of trust between the two. It's the same reason several workers refused to take Warrior's running splash the way Warrior liked to do with the opponent face down. Well Warrior didn’t even know how to execute a clothesline and apparently that’s how he broke Bobby Heenan. f***ing clown. Now I think Tanahashi’s timing is so smooth that he lands on his own knees and not on the guy’s back. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 7, 2019 12:47:02 GMT -5
I'm sure, and it happens, but usually for someone to let another worker come down on them like that, there has to be a LOT of trust between the two. It's the same reason several workers refused to take Warrior's running splash the way Warrior liked to do with the opponent face down. Well Warrior didn’t even know how to execute a clothesline and apparently that’s how he broke Bobby Heenan. f***ing clown. Now I think Tanahashi’s timing is so smooth that he lands on his own knees and not on the guy’s back. Yeah, that's why his legs are always so screwed. He'd rather hurt his own knees than anyone else |
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Post by Shark on Jan 7, 2019 20:38:44 GMT -5
Why do they have to “position themselves” a certain way before taking a top rope move? You see it all the time. Somebody goes to the top rope and you can see their opponent “crawling” into position to take the move smoothly. My question is not WHY they do it but why doesn’t the wrestler instead simply drag their opponent into position before doing the move? It looks more realistic and yet I can’t rememver the last time I’ve seen it happen. While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back. Name some things you never “got” in wrestling. 1. The wrestler taking the move realizes that the other wrestler did not leave him/here where he was supposed to and has to adjust. This is caused by all sorts of factors, including inexperience, misjudging of spacial awareness, being lazy and many others. 2. Not many people want to take 300 lbs. to the spine on a weekly basis. It's a recipe for paralysis. Weight, plus the force someone is landing on you. We're dealing with gravity remember so it's 32 feet per second squared. That's a lot of force you're landing on someone with. To me, this is just one of those things about wrestling you have to shrug off. Like why do people run after an irish whip? Why do people willingly stand up on the ropes for a superplex? It just is how it has to be. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 7, 2019 21:03:06 GMT -5
You know what I don't get? How the hell Undertaker ever got cleared by any athletic commissions! The man has no pulse, and he's still passing physicals?
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 8, 2019 1:37:33 GMT -5
While we’re on the subject, how come no top rope moves are ever done to the back? I always marked out when RVD. Did the frog splash to someone’s back. From a kayfabe perspective, I'd guess this is because if you hit a top rope move, you probably want to transition into a cover afterwards. Unless you're Cameron, that means they have to be on their back for their shoulders to touch the mat. Sure, you could roll them over, but why expend the extra energy? On the thread subject, I don't get why faces always seem surprised when the heels jump them at the bell, especially if this particular heel does it constantly. Like Suzuki-gun in NJPW. They jump their opponents and drag them through an arena-wide brawl every single match. How have the faces not caught on yet? Also a New Japan specific one, why are chair shots suddenly not illegal when they're done outside the ring? |
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Post by kidtamagotchi on Jan 8, 2019 1:47:41 GMT -5
I actually thought about starting a thread about my question, so here goes...
Why are punches/closed fists 'illegal', yet kicks are totally legal. Aren't kicks more powerful and dangerous (when done to the face/head)? This has been on my mind recently.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2019 4:00:39 GMT -5
I actually thought about starting a thread about my question, so here goes... Why are punches/closed fists 'illegal', yet kicks are totally legal. Aren't kicks more powerful and dangerous (when done to the face/head)? This has been on my mind recently. Kicks would have been decidedly less common, I guess, when the rules would have been made. This is way before guys like Japanese workers and Gentleman Chris Adams, and later guys like 1-2-3 Kid, would have popularized a bunch of kicks in North America. Most of the time, you'd just have gut kicks or stomps, so in that kind of setting, punches would be the concern. Joke answer, kicks are legal because they're not curling their toes. |
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