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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 8, 2019 16:00:57 GMT -5
At risk of being "that guy", there had to be a way to honour Gene without tying it to the big orange cloud of controversy that has become Hulk Hogan. Yeah, it was gross.
I didn't see the segment, the moment I saw Hogan walking I tuned out until the end of Raw, but one thing I noticed about the thread and social media is that there was more talk about Hogan than about Mean Gene and that was my and others' whole point about the situation and what we said would happen. Hogan returning, even if it was to celebrate Mean Gene, overshadowed Gene's celebration and more talk went towards Hogan than the man who's not here anymore. If you check the videos there's more views and comments about Hogan than Gene, more talk about how Hogan deserved to do it compared to who Gene was, compared to what he represented, ugh. I see the "well Hogan deserved to do it-" comments and the more I read them I'm like "nah, let's talk about Gene compared to Hogan, put all the light on him." It's just, nah. That's not what you do.
Fact is that if a man has passed all the light should be on said man compared to someone who's associated with said man and the fact that I'm seeing more comment on Hogan than the man who died is, ugh, nasty.
RIP Mean Gene first, foremost and always. He deserved better than this.
Same mindset here. Hogan's tribute was very heart felt and emotional yes. But, the thing is most are acknowledging Hogan's contribution and whether or not he should have been out in the first place over the entire point of the segment. Said segment had me on the verge of tears despite my only exposure to Gene Okerlund, outside of the wwe network, being mid to late WCW. Great segment, lessened by the fact you had a still controversial person MCing the whole thing. Honestly a video of various people, including Hogan, saying something about him probably would've worked better. Could have mixed it in the video shown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 16:17:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it was gross.
I didn't see the segment, the moment I saw Hogan walking I tuned out until the end of Raw, but one thing I noticed about the thread and social media is that there was more talk about Hogan than about Mean Gene and that was my and others' whole point about the situation and what we said would happen. Hogan returning, even if it was to celebrate Mean Gene, overshadowed Gene's celebration and more talk went towards Hogan than the man who's not here anymore. If you check the videos there's more views and comments about Hogan than Gene, more talk about how Hogan deserved to do it compared to who Gene was, compared to what he represented, ugh. I see the "well Hogan deserved to do it-" comments and the more I read them I'm like "nah, let's talk about Gene compared to Hogan, put all the light on him." It's just, nah. That's not what you do.
Fact is that if a man has passed all the light should be on said man compared to someone who's associated with said man and the fact that I'm seeing more comment on Hogan than the man who died is, ugh, nasty.
RIP Mean Gene first, foremost and always. He deserved better than this.
Same mindset here. Hogan's tribute was very heart felt and emotional yes. But, the thing is most are acknowledging Hogan's contribution and whether or not he should have been out in the first place over the entire point of the segment. Said segment had me on the verge of tears despite my only exposure to Gene Okerlund, outside of the wwe network, being mid to late WCW. Great segment, lessened by the fact you had a still controversial person MCing the whole thing. Honestly a video of various people, including Hogan, saying something about him probably would've worked better. Could have mixed it in the video shown. Yep. Even on WWE's Youtube the Hogan part has way more views and is trending compared to the actual tribute to Mean Gene. Even all the websites mention Hogan over Mean Gene. It put the light on Hogan more than the man himself who's not longer with us. Regardless if people are for or against Hogan, that's the fact and that's just not something that should happen. I don't see anyone saying "Hogan didn't overshadow Mean Gene" there because he absolutely did. It's just nasty.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2019 16:23:36 GMT -5
I certainly understand why some people have negative feelings towards Hogan, but the dude has done more charity work than 90% of athletes in his place. I believe only Cena has granted more wishes than him, and he did it without the WWE telling everyone about it. Cena, Justin Beiber, Michael Jordan, JEff Gordon, Dale Earnhart Jr. all have given as many or more than Hogan. the fact that Cena has done more than twice Hogan has despite having a much shorter career should also need to be taken into account. Not to take anything away from Hogan as I'm sure seeing that many kids that are most likely going to die is draining as hell.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2019 16:46:40 GMT -5
didn't he end it by glorifying moolah? That for me already makes it tasteless.
and I know their story but still feels like a way to bring Hogan without having the bad press behind
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Post by fw91 on Jan 8, 2019 16:56:39 GMT -5
Being a bad person, and I think Hogan qualifies, doesn’t mean you’re incapable of doing something good. And Hogan did right by Mean Gene. It was a very nice tribute. This
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Jan 8, 2019 16:56:41 GMT -5
At risk of being "that guy", there had to be a way to honour Gene without tying it to the big orange cloud of controversy that has become Hulk Hogan. Yeah, it was gross.
I didn't see the segment, the moment I saw Hogan walking I tuned out until the end of Raw, but one thing I noticed about the thread and social media is that there was more talk about Hogan than about Mean Gene and that was my and others' whole point about the situation and what we said would happen. Hogan returning, even if it was to celebrate Mean Gene, overshadowed Gene's celebration and more talk went towards Hogan than the man who's not here anymore. If you check the videos there's more views and comments about Hogan than Gene, more talk about how Hogan deserved to do it compared to who Gene was, compared to what he represented, ugh. I see the "well Hogan deserved to do it-" comments and the more I read them I'm like "nah, let's talk about Gene compared to Hogan, put all the light on him." It's just, nah. That's not what you do.
Fact is that if a man has passed all the light should be on said man compared to someone who's associated with said man and the fact that I'm seeing more comment on Hogan than the man who died is, ugh, nasty.
RIP Mean Gene first, foremost and always. He deserved better than this.
I think Hogan paid tribute to at least 7 deceased talent last night, and he never made it once about him. I thought it was classy.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jan 8, 2019 17:01:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it was gross.
I didn't see the segment, the moment I saw Hogan walking I tuned out until the end of Raw, but one thing I noticed about the thread and social media is that there was more talk about Hogan than about Mean Gene and that was my and others' whole point about the situation and what we said would happen. Hogan returning, even if it was to celebrate Mean Gene, overshadowed Gene's celebration and more talk went towards Hogan than the man who's not here anymore. If you check the videos there's more views and comments about Hogan than Gene, more talk about how Hogan deserved to do it compared to who Gene was, compared to what he represented, ugh. I see the "well Hogan deserved to do it-" comments and the more I read them I'm like "nah, let's talk about Gene compared to Hogan, put all the light on him." It's just, nah. That's not what you do.
Fact is that if a man has passed all the light should be on said man compared to someone who's associated with said man and the fact that I'm seeing more comment on Hogan than the man who died is, ugh, nasty.
RIP Mean Gene first, foremost and always. He deserved better than this.
I think Hogan paid tribute to at least 7 deceased talent last night, and he never made it once about him. I thought it was classy. Yeah, not to be “that guy” but anyone trashing that segment without having watched it doesn’t really have a good argument, IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:08:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it was gross.
I didn't see the segment, the moment I saw Hogan walking I tuned out until the end of Raw, but one thing I noticed about the thread and social media is that there was more talk about Hogan than about Mean Gene and that was my and others' whole point about the situation and what we said would happen. Hogan returning, even if it was to celebrate Mean Gene, overshadowed Gene's celebration and more talk went towards Hogan than the man who's not here anymore. If you check the videos there's more views and comments about Hogan than Gene, more talk about how Hogan deserved to do it compared to who Gene was, compared to what he represented, ugh. I see the "well Hogan deserved to do it-" comments and the more I read them I'm like "nah, let's talk about Gene compared to Hogan, put all the light on him." It's just, nah. That's not what you do.
Fact is that if a man has passed all the light should be on said man compared to someone who's associated with said man and the fact that I'm seeing more comment on Hogan than the man who died is, ugh, nasty.
RIP Mean Gene first, foremost and always. He deserved better than this.
I think Hogan paid tribute to at least 7 deceased talent last night, and he never made it once about him. I thought it was classy. Are the headlines talking mostly about Hogan or Mean Gene? If the headlines, thread replies (you can read the Raw thread and see the replies), social media, view count and such are talking more about Mean Gene than Hogan himself then I'll admit I was wrong. But I'm not wrong about this and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. And nowhere in my post was I talking about what Hogan himself said, it's not even about what Hogan said. What he said or didn't say is something I didn't even touch on.
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Post by Main Eventer on Jan 8, 2019 17:11:36 GMT -5
If you look at my past posts on Hogan its clear my disdain for him. However when I think of Mean Gene, I think of Hogan so I'm ok with him giving respects. Now I haven't seen it, only the thumbnail but did Hogan leave his sunglasses on the whole time? Cause I feel that is disrespectful.
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 8, 2019 17:14:18 GMT -5
I think Hogan paid tribute to at least 7 deceased talent last night, and he never made it once about him. I thought it was classy. Are the headlines talking mostly about Hogan or Mean Gene? If the headlines, thread replies (you can read the Raw thread and see the replies), social media, view count and such are talking more about Mean Gene than Hogan himself then I'll admit I was wrong. But I'm not wrong about this and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. And nowhere in my post was I talking about what Hogan himself said, it's not even about what Hogan said. What he said or didn't say is something I didn't even touch on. I think it speaks volumes about mean gene and the importance of his career that they brought Hogan in after years of being off tv and always swirling with controversy. The fact that wwe thought that much about gene that they would risk that controversy to honor him the right way says alot. A video package or ten bell salute alone wouldn't have people talking about it and remembering it. This will and has. And mean gene would have wanted that.
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 8, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -5
If you look at my past posts on Hogan its clear my disdain for him. However when I think of Mean Gene, I think of Hogan so I'm ok with him giving respects. Now I haven't seen it, only the thumbnail but did Hogan leave his sunglasses on the whole time? Cause I feel that is disrespectful. Sunglasses were not on the whole time. They were indication of Hogan being "in character" and doing the Hogan voice. I think they also helped cover some tears.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:20:17 GMT -5
Are the headlines talking mostly about Hogan or Mean Gene? If the headlines, thread replies (you can read the Raw thread and see the replies), social media, view count and such are talking more about Mean Gene than Hogan himself then I'll admit I was wrong. But I'm not wrong about this and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. And nowhere in my post was I talking about what Hogan himself said, it's not even about what Hogan said. What he said or didn't say is something I didn't even touch on. I think it speaks volumes about mean gene and the importance of his career that they brought Hogan in after years of being off tv and always swirling with controversy. The fact that wwe thought that much about gene that they would risk that controversy to honor him the right way says alot. A video package or ten bell salute alone wouldn't have people talking about it and remembering it. This will and has. And mean gene would have wanted that.
Can you admit to me that Hogan being there made the discussion more about Hogan than Mean Gene's tribute and even if you can't admit that, can you admit that the headlines are more about Hogan? If not that, can you admit that instead of it being all about Mean Gene a great amount of the discussion is about Hogan? Even in the Raw thread there were more replies about Hogan than the actual tribute itself.
That's the point.
It's not about if people like or dislike Hogan, it's about the fact that yeah, Hogan being there took some shine off it being completely about Mean Gene. I don't see how anyone can argue this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:24:14 GMT -5
I think Hogan paid tribute to at least 7 deceased talent last night, and he never made it once about him. I thought it was classy. Are the headlines talking mostly about Hogan or Mean Gene? If the headlines, thread replies (you can read the Raw thread and see the replies), social media, view count and such are talking more about Mean Gene than Hogan himself then I'll admit I was wrong. But I'm not wrong about this and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. And nowhere in my post was I talking about what Hogan himself said, it's not even about what Hogan said. What he said or didn't say is something I didn't even touch on. Your argument is entirely fallacious. No one should even need to try to debunk it because it implies an intent that cannot be proven or refuted. You are making the assumption that since media outlets and fans have focused on Hogan, that it was the intent of the segment. You can't even begin to prove that statement, so don't go around issuing horseshit challenges where people gotta prove you wrong. It just comes off arrogant and you of all people should know better.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 8, 2019 17:34:24 GMT -5
If you guys don't want this thread to enter lock territory, BE CIVIL. It's okay to be a fan, or not be a fan of Hogan. Let's not vilify the guy, for last night. He did look distraught, and that could be why he wore his glasses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:35:07 GMT -5
Are the headlines talking mostly about Hogan or Mean Gene? If the headlines, thread replies (you can read the Raw thread and see the replies), social media, view count and such are talking more about Mean Gene than Hogan himself then I'll admit I was wrong. But I'm not wrong about this and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. And nowhere in my post was I talking about what Hogan himself said, it's not even about what Hogan said. What he said or didn't say is something I didn't even touch on. Your argument is entirely fallacious. No one should even need to try to debunk it because it implies an intent that cannot be proven or refuted. You are making the assumption that since media outlets and fans have focused on Hogan, that it was the intent of the segment. You can't even begin to prove that statement, so don't go around issuing horseshit challenges where people gotta prove you wrong. It just comes off arrogant and you of all people should know better. Bruh...nowhere did I say in any of my posts that it was the "intent of the segment" nor was I hinting that. Once again, I can't stress this enough, nowhere am I talking about what the WWE's intentions were, nowhere am I talking about what Hogan himself said, nowhere am I talking about what Hogan did within those ropes. If you can find a post from me anywhere in this thread where I mentioned the "intent" or even used the word "intent" then please, go find it. In case anyone tries to say "but Hogan sai-" or think I'm referring to anything Hogan mentioned or how he looked, acts, whatever, that's not the point. You gotta try to find another target in this case because you're missing.
Secondly, it's not hard to debunk what I'm saying. If you can count the replies where people mention Mean Gene more than Hogan my point's debunked. If you can check the Twitter trends where "Mean Gene" is mentioned more within the past 24hrs compared to "Hogan" then my point's debunked. If you can pull up headlines about last night's Raw where Hogan isn't the subject about Mean Gene, you can debunk my post. Actually, you can go to WWE's own Youtube videos towards the Hogan tribute and the actual Mean Gene tribute video, read the replies, see the views and likes, you can disprove my point. It's actually pretty easy to disprove what I'm saying here. It's no different than saying "more people have talked about Seth Rollins compared to Apollo Crews" as it's pretty easy to calculate data.
I stand by my statement. I gotta get receipts. There's been more talk about Hogan last night than the man who passed away. If you want me to link proof then hey, I will. It's not hard to the validity of this.
If anyone wants to respond to my post, like people responded to it when I wasn't talking to them, then they gotta come correct because I make sure I do my research. Make sure you do your own when you respond as well because from what it looks like, it looks like you're thinking I'm speaking on "intent" rather than "result." If that's what you're doing then well, you gotta come correct.
The entire point of my post is that Hogan being there indeed took some shine off of it being all about the man who has passed, Mean Gene.
Is anyone really going to say "no Hogan didn't take any shine off of Mean Gene and the result of Hogan being there was all about Mean Gene in the headlines, social media, comments and views" in response? If so then hey, go on and say it.
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 8, 2019 18:12:59 GMT -5
The basis of mean genes role in wwe or any other promotion was to make the wrestlers look good. He made hulk Hogan look good and Hogan will admit that. Had it been ric flair, koko b ware, hillbilly jim standing in the ring and talking about mean gene the spotlight would be on them and not gene. But would some random wrestlers that mean gene happened to interview be enough? I think it had to be the guy that teamed with Mean gene in the ring , inducted him into the hof, and was almost synonymous with him for decades.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 8, 2019 18:13:37 GMT -5
Is anyone really going to say "no Hogan didn't take any shine off of Mean Gene and the result of Hogan being there was all about Mean Gene in the headlines, social media, comments and views" in response? If so then hey, go on and say it. Yes, I will say it. Hogan took NOTHING away from Mean Gene. I think he added to the tribute and made it more emotional. We saw a larger than life person who looked very human and humbled. Saw a sometimes unemotional person totally breaking down. To me that really cemented how loved Gene was. Because of Hogan more people know about Mean Gene. Hogan added to the shine. To many seeing the biggest star in wrestling history talking about him cemented how good Gene was. In no way did I find it in poor taste. I’m sorry but I don’t think Hogan deserves to be blackballed from making occasional appearances. Last night showed he can be effective if utilized correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 18:16:13 GMT -5
Is anyone really going to say "no Hogan didn't take any shine off of Mean Gene and the result of Hogan being there was all about Mean Gene in the headlines, social media, comments and views" in response? If so then hey, go on and say it. Yes, I will say it. Hogan took NOTHING away from Mean Gene. God bless you fam.
We got nothing to talk about. Good day to you, hope you have a blessed one.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 8, 2019 18:18:27 GMT -5
Yes, I will say it. Hogan took NOTHING away from Mean Gene. God bless you fam.
We got nothing to talk about. Good day to you, hope you have a blessed one.
Did you at least read the rest of my post where I said why I think that? I apologize if I’m wrong but it feels like you are writing off my opinion and somehow thinking less of me as a person because it’s not what you believe. I just disagree and have my reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 18:22:00 GMT -5
Gene’s been out of mainstream significance for nearly two decades while Hogan’s the biggest name in wrestling with some controversy mixed in. Even without the latter he would have still overshadowed Gene. Not sure what the issue is. No one can pay tribute to a friend if he’s more socially relevant than the person who passed? It’s one thing to disagree with bringing hogan back but not sure what the issue is here.
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