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Post by psychokiller on Jan 10, 2019 15:01:50 GMT -5
For example at this point what would it take for you to buy guys like Bray Wyatt, Samoa Joe & Dolph Ziggler as main event threats where you can see them actually winning a world title? Would it take years of better booking to erase all the damage done to them in the way they’ve been booked or would it just take a few changes in character & some big wins over the course of a few months? Or maybe something else or nothing at all can make you view them in a better light again?
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Post by TGM on Jan 10, 2019 15:13:23 GMT -5
Literally anybody is only a few weeks of strong booking away from being redeemable. I think most of the blame lays with fickle fans who think a wrestler is ruined forever because they didn't win a world title.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 10, 2019 15:15:17 GMT -5
Depends on the brand.
For NXT, they just need to string together about 5 or so wins over other NXT roster members (not guest jobbers).
For Smackdown, there'd need to be a steady rising up the ladder and a story charting their growth.
For RAW, F*** it, they're ruined forever (sorry, Tyler.)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2019 15:19:20 GMT -5
Bray needs to have a string of storylines that have any kind of meaning.
His problem aren't wins and losses its that nothing he does matters. He wins storylines or he loses them he does the same babbling nonsense after attacking someone who is too important to not be doing something.
Joe just needs a few big wins as he still can have the demanding presence during non match things.
Dolph is somewhere in between.
Also it depends on what you mean by credibility any of the lower mid careers with a few good wins and storylines could end up in title contention for tag/midcard.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 10, 2019 15:32:50 GMT -5
Any of them regain credibility with strong promos & winning matches.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 10, 2019 15:42:16 GMT -5
My argument is, if you like them then they don't need to regain anything since they're already credible to you. Bray and Joe are there for me already.
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Post by psychokiller on Jan 10, 2019 15:59:15 GMT -5
My argument is, if you like them then they don't need to regain anything since they're already credible to you. Bray and Joe are there for me already. Even after Joe lost around 10 title matches? I remember when Bray was just trading wins & losses for the most part than they gave him the WWE Title after a few wins I just couldn’t buy into it. It felt forced since he was never built up organically after just not doing much for so long.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 10, 2019 16:01:49 GMT -5
My argument is, if you like them then they don't need to regain anything since they're already credible to you. Bray and Joe are there for me already. Even after Joe lost around 10 title matches? I remember when Bray was just trading wins & losses for the most part than they gave him the WWE Title after a few wins I just couldn’t buy into it. It felt forced since he was never built up organically after just not doing much for so long. As a fan, I absolutely would. Obviously if I were "meh" or didn't like him, it'd be a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 16:02:01 GMT -5
Easily if the booking's right. All you need to do is give them a few months of build and it works.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jan 10, 2019 16:03:51 GMT -5
Stop being an enormous failure turtle and actually win an important match once or twice.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 10, 2019 16:05:21 GMT -5
Keep chipping away until something sticks I suppose. Miz is a great example
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 10, 2019 16:11:50 GMT -5
Wyatt just needs wins, especially devisive ones, and if they go with Wyatt family again, they need to keep going with it and not reset it again....I wouldn't mind a larger family, helping him take over the wwe/win the wwe title, add lowercarders to his stable a la The Flock, but but they actually win....throw in Slater, Axel and Bo, and a few more
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Post by sunnytaker on Jan 10, 2019 17:12:34 GMT -5
they could go the becky route. admit you haven't had the success you wanted, vow to refocus on becoming champ. string together a bunch of wins working your way through the midcard/upper midcard, have solid promos full of passion to get the fans wanting you to succeed, and then come out on top in a #1 contenders match (I always prefer that to the old "beat the champ to fight the champ" method because that puts the onus on the champ to show they can beat the challenger since they already beat the champ- instead of the challenger having to prove they can beat the champ). champ may be allowed to weasel their way out of it the first time or two (DQ/countout) where it's clear the face would have won otherwise, until some stipulation match where the face finally prevails.
for a heel though the plan has to go a bit differently since the fan backing wouldn't be there. if the champ has friends the heel must go through them (preferably while the champ is feuding with someone else to keep them too occupied to get involved) convincingly possibly "injuring" one of them to show everyone they mean business and put the blame on the champ for it happening because the champ wouldn't give them a shot. if the champ is a lone wolf, then they would have to start taking on and beating former champs ("injuring" them is still allowed) one after the other until they force the powers that be that "hey I beat all the so-called champs already- why won't you let me fight the real one?" and get a shot. but they would have to win otherwise they end up falling into the same cycle they've been trying to get out of.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 10, 2019 17:28:03 GMT -5
Literally anybody is only a few weeks of strong booking away from being redeemable. I think most of the blame lays with fickle fans who think a wrestler is ruined forever because they didn't win a world title. FICKLE! I'm sorry, I agree with you, but I couldn't help myself.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 10, 2019 17:51:16 GMT -5
I got into TNA when Angle jumped ship, and very quickly I came to HATE the Eric Young / James Storm storyline. For years the mere mention of Eric Young made my lip curl in disgust.
Then I stumbled on his promo where he shaved his head and started a stable, I think the World Elite? And all those years disappeared, and I was interested in Eric Young for the first time in my life.
So it can be as simple as a damn good promo, for me.
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Post by anglarite on Jan 10, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
By moving to Lucha Underground where the writers actually let people get over.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 10, 2019 18:38:26 GMT -5
They should obviously win matches but there should be stories told by the announcers and in the ring to show what the person is doing differently. Are they using more submissions? Are they bulking up? Give a reason to believe something is different.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2019 19:44:02 GMT -5
Having good matches.
This shit is fake. I like Jinder. I don't need credibility, entertain me.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 10, 2019 20:07:38 GMT -5
They did it with Bray, and pretty much in a 48 hour period. (Winning the title, in the chamber, CLEAN as a sheet, then beating Cena/AJ clean....again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 1:49:51 GMT -5
If the performance is at least solid, they never lose credibility. A 100 match losing streak doesn't prevent someone winning the world title for me.
What does ruin credibility is if I perceive a lack of effort in performance, phoning it in or any lack of work to improve.
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