How does someone regain credibility to you?

[Jimmy John Mundo]

Like many said, winning matches and having storylines where the said person actually wins. The big problem I’ve had with the “fresh” start is just throwing people like Apollo Crews, The Revival and Sasha Banks right into title pictures even though they are cold as ice and the big problem is they all end up losing. It doesn’t build any credibility, they all win one match and then are thrown right into the title shot and lose. Have them win matches and storylines for a couple of months then have them climb into the title picture.

[RadcapRadsley]

Jan 10, 2019 15:01:50 GMT -5 psychokiller said:

For example at this point what would it take for you to buy guys like Bray Wyatt, Samoa Joe & Dolph Ziggler as main event threats where you can see them actually winning a world title? Would it take years of better booking to erase all the damage done to them in the way they’ve been booked or would it just take a few changes in character & some big wins over the course of a few months? Or maybe something else or nothing at all can make you view them in a better light again?

I wouldn't lump those 3 in at all together

Joe is booked like a geek but still believeable and entertaining despite that,if he won the rumble or big title match I would be all in. Bray would still be the running shits if he won 10 ppv matches in a row because he has been cutting the same boring promo year after year,he is the wrestling embodiment of someone still doing WHAT chant's. With Dolph it feels like he has literally worked with everyone and been in the company for 87 years and there is no good use for him. A new guy doesn't get a rub going over him and it feels like a burial/punishment of someone if they lose to him in a big match

[A Platypus Rave]

Jan 11, 2019 2:25:53 GMT -5 RadcapRadsley said:

Jan 10, 2019 15:01:50 GMT -5 psychokiller said:

For example at this point what would it take for you to buy guys like Bray Wyatt, Samoa Joe & Dolph Ziggler as main event threats where you can see them actually winning a world title? Would it take years of better booking to erase all the damage done to them in the way they’ve been booked or would it just take a few changes in character & some big wins over the course of a few months? Or maybe something else or nothing at all can make you view them in a better light again?

I wouldn't lump those 3 in at all together

Joe is booked like a geek but still believeable and entertaining despite that,if he won the rumble or big title match I would be all in. Bray would still be the running shits if he won 10 ppv matches in a row because he has been cutting the same boring promo year after year,he is the wrestling embodiment of someone still doing WHAT chant's. With Dolph it feels like he has literally worked with everyone and been in the company for 87 years and there is no good use for him. A new guy doesn't get a rub going over him and it feels like a burial/punishment of someone if they lose to him in a big match

Yeah like I said Bray's problems are not winning related he actually wins way more than people seem to realize.

The point is him winning or losing leads to the same get out of booking they lying to you Heha vague and creepy nonsense every single time.

[segaz]

Jan 10, 2019 19:44:02 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Having good matches.

This shit is fake. I like Jinder. I don't need credibility, entertain me.

Why do you need to reassert that it's fake? Like in a movie, we'd say "this is fiction, the action and fights were pretty boring, stunts weren't done well" etc.

But it's like some fans are conditioned to think if wrestling not as legitimate media of fiction, but entertaining fake carny crap

[Jake, The Jake, Jake]

Joe could be saved by going on a hot streak and actually beating some big name folks.

Bray would need a complete gimmick overhaul.

Dolph is scorched earth and cannot be saved.

[Dub H]

Beyond savation is just an excuse to not puch someone.

Like WWE saying they didnt push Dean because they were "damaged goods". No, you can push anyone and make then a big deal if the talent is good.

Even Dolph was torn apart and rebuilt so god damn many times.And a few of those times he was really f***ing over.

Sometimes the gimmick is just done, people dont buy it anymore.Other times you just need a solid program where you look like a winner.

[Dub H]

Jan 10, 2019 15:13:23 GMT -5 TGM said:

Literally anybody is only a few weeks of strong booking away from being redeemable. I think most of the blame lays with fickle fans who think a wrestler is ruined forever because they didn't win a world title.

FICKLE! FICKLE! FICKLE!

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

I shit on Ziggler a lot because I used to like him, but I think he’s beyond redemption. You can lose only so much and he did it for years.