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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:31:17 GMT -5
Steph is a weird case in that she obviously has taken credit for something people feel she deserves none, and that's... a pretty hard argument to make in earnest. Unless the women hired themselves (they didn't), gave themselves airtime (how?), and went to bat for them against the indifference of Vince and Dunn (uhhh, maybe to a degree?), then no, Steph did in fact play a part. She got shamed by AJ Lee into doing more, but she did more. Do we see that and just decide "nuh uh, doesn't count then"? Because that'd also be a heap of bullshit. She certainly doesn't deserve all the credit, but if "anyone could do it", they didn't, she did. Her motivations aren't pure, but uhh, welcome to wrestling, be sure to hang up your coat and deal with the fact business people make decision influenced in part by money and PR. It's literally all of them. Exactly. I don’t see Stephanie herself going on podcasts or TV saying “well actually it was ALL me.” The only people who have done that are commentary, and I don’t even think they’re outright wrong on what they’re saying. I just can’t buy this “Stephanie is a glory hogging, evil woman” that most like to paint her as. She seems like a very sweet woman outside the ring who’s only hated due to her being booked with little comeuppance (Except with Ronda, and Brie at points, and Roman, and Jericho, ..oh, and Rollins.) You’d think she skinned their pets in front of them or something lmao
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 20, 2019 0:52:25 GMT -5
Steph is a weird case in that she obviously has taken credit for something people feel she deserves none, and that's... a pretty hard argument to make in earnest. Unless the women hired themselves (they didn't), gave themselves airtime (how?), and went to bat for them against the indifference of Vince and Dunn (uhhh, maybe to a degree?), then no, Steph did in fact play a part. She got shamed by AJ Lee into doing more, but she did more. Do we see that and just decide "nuh uh, doesn't count then"? Because that'd also be a heap of bullshit. She certainly doesn't deserve all the credit, but if "anyone could do it", they didn't, she did. Her motivations aren't pure, but uhh, welcome to wrestling, be sure to hang up your coat and deal with the fact business people make decision influenced in part by money and PR. It's literally all of them. Exactly. I don’t see Stephanie herself going on podcasts or TV saying “well actually it was ALL me.” The only people who have done that are commentary, and I don’t even think they’re outright wrong on what they’re saying. I just can’t buy this “Stephanie is a glory hogging, evil woman” that most like to paint her as. She seems like a very sweet woman outside the ring who’s only hated due to her being booked with little comeuppance (Except with Ronda, and Brie at points, and Roman, and Jericho, ..oh, and Rollins.) You’d think she skinned their pets in front of them or something lmao The lack of comeuppance (and most of your examples aren't very solid ones) is the biggest reason. She plays a very tired character that no-ones going to care about seeing unless the pay off is a face being able to put her in place. Her Dad, say what you will about him today, understood that dynamic and got himself humilated all the time because that's what the fans liked. Obviously she couldn't have the abuse Vince got pshycially, but something satisfying. It's basically anti-fun when she's involved in most angles because of the lack of satisfying payoff. No, she's not an evil witchy woman in real life, but to many people it's just like...what purpose do you serve?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 20, 2019 1:02:31 GMT -5
While we've got a Stephanie thread going... Has she actually been around much after that big to-do at the start of RAW a few weeks ago? Like, it seems most of that on-screen authority stuff seems to be getting handled by Vince and Trips, with Shane largely isolated to his angle with The Miz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 1:14:48 GMT -5
Steph is a weird case in that she obviously has taken credit for something people feel she deserves none, and that's... a pretty hard argument to make in earnest. Unless the women hired themselves (they didn't), gave themselves airtime (how?), and went to bat for them against the indifference of Vince and Dunn (uhhh, maybe to a degree?), then no, Steph did in fact play a part. She got shamed by AJ Lee into doing more, but she did more. Do we see that and just decide "nuh uh, doesn't count then"? Because that'd also be a heap of bullshit. She certainly doesn't deserve all the credit, but if "anyone could do it", they didn't, she did. Her motivations aren't pure, but uhh, welcome to wrestling, be sure to hang up your coat and deal with the fact business people make decision influenced in part by money and PR. It's literally all of them. I have no issues with her as a person or anything as I'm not really one to think too much of performers outside of their work. There's really know way for us to really know what she's like personally. My only issue with her as the face of the women's movement is that her character is way too flimsy, she's a conniving megalomaniac but the amount of times they present her in such extremes one way or another is just annoying to me. When she's out there acting like she's the fairy godmother of the women's division in one segment, then threatening to fire babyfaces and being typical evil McMahon in the next one it's pretty hard to take. I'm perfectly fine with her being the face of the women's movement and all that but she can't be that and also one of the top heels of the company, they gotta pick one and stick with it.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 20, 2019 1:35:44 GMT -5
I remember the Raw after Mania when they had Ronda wreck Steph, and then for extra heat/to get even bigger cheers for Ronda, they had Jojo get on the mic to say something like "May we please have respect for Stephanie McMahon" which made the audience jeer harder. It was a cool moment. A startling number of people claimed it insecure Steph not wanting people to boo her. Just crazy. For osme weird insane reason people put her every motivation under a microscope and it's really weird.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 20, 2019 1:36:01 GMT -5
Exactly. I don’t see Stephanie herself going on podcasts or TV saying “well actually it was ALL me.” The only people who have done that are commentary, and I don’t even think they’re outright wrong on what they’re saying. I just can’t buy this “Stephanie is a glory hogging, evil woman” that most like to paint her as. She seems like a very sweet woman outside the ring who’s only hated due to her being booked with little comeuppance (Except with Ronda, and Brie at points, and Roman, and Jericho, ..oh, and Rollins.) You’d think she skinned their pets in front of them or something lmao The lack of comeuppance (and most of your examples aren't very solid ones) is the biggest reason. She plays a very tired character that no-ones going to care about seeing unless the pay off is a face being able to put her in place. Her Dad, say what you will about him today, understood that dynamic and got himself humilated all the time because that's what the fans liked. Obviously she couldn't have the abuse Vince got pshycially, but something satisfying. It's basically anti-fun when she's involved in most angles because of the lack of satisfying payoff. No, she's not an evil witchy woman in real life, but to many people it's just like...what purpose do you serve? Yes, yes she could...there's plenty of women who could give her her comeuppance, besides Ronda.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 1:45:16 GMT -5
The lack of comeuppance (and most of your examples aren't very solid ones) is the biggest reason. She plays a very tired character that no-ones going to care about seeing unless the pay off is a face being able to put her in place. Her Dad, say what you will about him today, understood that dynamic and got himself humilated all the time because that's what the fans liked. Obviously she couldn't have the abuse Vince got pshycially, but something satisfying. It's basically anti-fun when she's involved in most angles because of the lack of satisfying payoff. No, she's not an evil witchy woman in real life, but to many people it's just like...what purpose do you serve? Yes, yes she could...there's plenty of women who could give her her comeuppance, besides Ronda. You could argue that Brie got that as well, except she hasn’t really been that involved with the women’s division until 2015 or so. I think, I’m probably wrong haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 1:46:14 GMT -5
I remember the Raw after Mania when they had Ronda wreck Steph, and then for extra heat/to get even bigger cheers for Ronda, they had Jojo get on the mic to say something like "May we please have respect for Stephanie McMahon" which made the audience jeer harder. It was a cool moment. A startling number of people claimed it insecure Steph not wanting people to boo her. Just crazy. For osme weird insane reason people put her every motivation under a microscope and it's really weird. Im super glad I’m not the only one who found that really off putting. People in the Raw thread were acting as though Stephanie actually wanted people not to boo her. It’s really weird to me how some take their feelings a bit too close to heart when it comes to these characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 1:47:31 GMT -5
Steph is a weird case in that she obviously has taken credit for something people feel she deserves none, and that's... a pretty hard argument to make in earnest. Unless the women hired themselves (they didn't), gave themselves airtime (how?), and went to bat for them against the indifference of Vince and Dunn (uhhh, maybe to a degree?), then no, Steph did in fact play a part. She got shamed by AJ Lee into doing more, but she did more. Do we see that and just decide "nuh uh, doesn't count then"? Because that'd also be a heap of bullshit. She certainly doesn't deserve all the credit, but if "anyone could do it", they didn't, she did. Her motivations aren't pure, but uhh, welcome to wrestling, be sure to hang up your coat and deal with the fact business people make decision influenced in part by money and PR. It's literally all of them. I have no issues with her as a person or anything as I'm not really one to think too much of performers outside of their work. There's really know way for us to really know what she's like personally. My only issue with her as the face of the women's movement is that her character is way too flimsy, she's a conniving megalomaniac but the amount of times they present her in such extremes one way or another is just annoying to me. When she's out there acting like she's the fairy godmother of the women's division in one segment, then threatening to fire babyfaces and being typical evil McMahon in the next one it's pretty hard to take. I'm perfectly fine with her being the face of the women's movement and all that but she can't be that and also one of the top heels of the company, they gotta pick one and stick with it. Thats a fair take on that tbh. I’ve always preferred her as a face compared to a heel. And it would make way more sense.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 20, 2019 2:04:43 GMT -5
I came here for pics and am disappointed
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 20, 2019 2:23:00 GMT -5
Exactly. I don’t see Stephanie herself going on podcasts or TV saying “well actually it was ALL me.” The only people who have done that are commentary, and I don’t even think they’re outright wrong on what they’re saying. I just can’t buy this “Stephanie is a glory hogging, evil woman” that most like to paint her as. She seems like a very sweet woman outside the ring who’s only hated due to her being booked with little comeuppance (Except with Ronda, and Brie at points, and Roman, and Jericho, ..oh, and Rollins.) You’d think she skinned their pets in front of them or something lmao The lack of comeuppance (and most of your examples aren't very solid ones) is the biggest reason. She plays a very tired character that no-ones going to care about seeing unless the pay off is a face being able to put her in place. Her Dad, say what you will about him today, understood that dynamic and got himself humilated all the time because that's what the fans liked. Obviously she couldn't have the abuse Vince got pshycially, but something satisfying. It's basically anti-fun when she's involved in most angles because of the lack of satisfying payoff. No, she's not an evil witchy woman in real life, but to many people it's just like...what purpose do you serve? Shane,Hunter and Vince don't get comeupannce much anymore either. If Vince would have emasculated a top star like he did Braun Monday,he would have got these hands instead of Braun just standing with his tail btwn his legs.Not sure how much of that is Steph or not but Management has decided "the brand" and the McMahon's-Hunter's are above the roster.Steph seems to be the biggest one though who faces criticism when them going over and making people look like shit is just as bad
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 20, 2019 3:01:21 GMT -5
Thread Useless Without Pics https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsw5qtPn_eY As you can see we are talking about a Pro Athlete, probably world class. Never seen anyone work out this hard ever. I think she deserves every womens title for working out at 12am.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 20, 2019 3:12:47 GMT -5
She really is learning from her husband in the “twenty years after your career peak, keep yourself near the top by latching on to the current top star” way. Punk was the big thing, Trips waded in on that angle. Then it was Bryan, so he got in on that too. And then Roman. Rousey was the hot topic, oh look, there’s Steph (although admittedly it was a damn entertaining match) and now rumours that she’s fighting the current biggest name, Becky. I have massive respect for the backstage jobs they both do but as an on-screen character I have zero desire to ever see either of them again. I wish they’d both just piss off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 3:16:24 GMT -5
Where did these “She’s fighting Becky” rumors even come from? It’s so obvious this is leading to a triple threat between Ronda/Charlotte/Becky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 3:22:00 GMT -5
Kayfabe she still dislikes Rousey. When Stone Cold Becky heads to raw to confront Rousey she'll butt heads with Steph in an nod to Vince's feud with the original SC, then you've got Charlotte and the links between Steph's hubby and Charlotte's dad. All this and a Mcmahon's natural desire for the spotlight points to a guest referee spot for the rumored Becky/Ronda/Charlotte mania ME.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 3:35:11 GMT -5
Kayfabe she still dislikes Rousey. When Stone Cold Becky heads to raw to confront Rousey she'll butt heads with Steph in an nod to Vince's feud with the original SC, then you've got Charlotte and the links between Steph's hubby and Charlotte's dad. All this and a Mcmahon's natural desire for the spotlight points to a guest referee spot for the rumored Becky/Ronda/Charlotte mania ME. Last time I checked, it was the network that wants the McMahon’s, not the McMahon’s supposed ego. Hell, Vince didn’t even want to go out the day of that announcement.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 20, 2019 4:07:01 GMT -5
The lack of comeuppance (and most of your examples aren't very solid ones) is the biggest reason. She plays a very tired character that no-ones going to care about seeing unless the pay off is a face being able to put her in place. Her Dad, say what you will about him today, understood that dynamic and got himself humilated all the time because that's what the fans liked. Obviously she couldn't have the abuse Vince got pshycially, but something satisfying. It's basically anti-fun when she's involved in most angles because of the lack of satisfying payoff. No, she's not an evil witchy woman in real life, but to many people it's just like...what purpose do you serve? Shane,Hunter and Vince don't get comeupannce much anymore either. If Vince would have emasculated a top star like he did Braun Monday,he would have got these hands instead of Braun just standing with his tail btwn his legs.Not sure how much of that is Steph or not but Management has decided "the brand" and the McMahon's-Hunter's are above the roster.Steph seems to be the biggest one though who faces criticism when them going over and making people look like shit is just as bad Vince still does, even though if anyone should back off the physical side it's him. Yeah the Braun thing sucked, but remember the other 2 times he's really been involved recently were being beaten up by AJ and Kevin Owens.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 20, 2019 4:27:57 GMT -5
My personal distaste for Steph beyond the obvious Levesque ego/spotlight hogging is her claim to be involved in this better treatment of women. Stephanie could have stopped the terrible treatment of their women at ANY time in the last nearly 20 years and they wouldn’t have needed a “revolution” in the first place.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 20, 2019 8:26:01 GMT -5
I do wonder how many believe Stephanie is the same evil egomaniac off screen as she is on screen. Too many. Hell, I was one of them, but when former employees and performers almost universally praise Stephanie - even ones who are less than complimentary about HHH or Vince - it's hard to believe she's not simply that damn good at playing the heel.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 20, 2019 9:22:12 GMT -5
Steph is workin out and she's really mad
Steph is workin out and she's really angry
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