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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:45:00 GMT -5
I do wonder how many believe Stephanie is the same evil egomaniac off screen as she is on screen. Too many. Hell, I was one of them, but when former employees and performers almost universally praise Stephanie - even ones who are less than complimentary about HHH or Vince - it's hard to believe she's not simply that damn good at playing the heel. That’s the reason why I don’t buy this narrative that some have of her. Everyone has praised Stephanie. Whether in good graces with the company or not. Again, you can have beef with her TV character all you want, but don’t let that character influence your take on the human being as its simply a TV show.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 20, 2019 12:56:56 GMT -5
I do wonder how many believe Stephanie is the same evil egomaniac off screen as she is on screen. I helped her assistant, at work, after Summerslam 2017. She noticed my Connor's Cure bracelet. She said the McMahons are some of the nicest people she's worked for. She said Stephanie and HHH are all about their kids. She did say, that Stephanie is also tough. She will go to bat for her employees, if need be.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 20, 2019 13:12:24 GMT -5
She may be nice off screen, but she's always been unqualified for the high status she holds in the company, and she's been all too willing to go along with self serving booking that has been detrimental to many wrestlers who have had the misfortune of interacting with her on air, and incredibly self aggrandising pushing of herself as the face of women's wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 14:30:01 GMT -5
She may be nice off screen, but she's always been unqualified for the high status she holds in the company, and she's been all too willing to go along with self serving booking that has been detrimental to many wrestlers who have had the misfortune of interacting with her on air, and incredibly self aggrandising pushing of herself as the face of women's wrestling. I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.”
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 20, 2019 15:13:51 GMT -5
She may be nice off screen, but she's always been unqualified for the high status she holds in the company, and she's been all too willing to go along with self serving booking that has been detrimental to many wrestlers who have had the misfortune of interacting with her on air, and incredibly self aggrandising pushing of herself as the face of women's wrestling. I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.” If she thinks that, she's either naive or stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:16:46 GMT -5
I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.” If she thinks that, she's either naive or stupid. Or simply her views and her opinion. Doesn’t make her stupid, hah.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 20, 2019 15:19:59 GMT -5
Kayfabe she still dislikes Rousey. When Stone Cold Becky heads to raw to confront Rousey she'll butt heads with Steph in an nod to Vince's feud with the original SC, then you've got Charlotte and the links between Steph's hubby and Charlotte's dad. All this and a Mcmahon's natural desire for the spotlight points to a guest referee spot for the rumored Becky/Ronda/Charlotte mania ME. This could very well happen, but if they let a women’s match main event Mania it needs to just be a match no gimmicks or BS.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 20, 2019 15:20:46 GMT -5
She may be nice off screen, but she's always been unqualified for the high status she holds in the company, and she's been all too willing to go along with self serving booking that has been detrimental to many wrestlers who have had the misfortune of interacting with her on air, and incredibly self aggrandising pushing of herself as the face of women's wrestling. I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.” Steph taking credit for the women's revolution might just come from a practical place. WWE want the credit as a company for taking a progressive step. It kind of undercuts the point to have the messaging be "The men in charge finally decided to give women a chance". That's even before you consider Vince and his well documented on screen treatment of female talent, and HHH's DX past getting female fans to flash their boobs during live shows. Steph is the best executive face they have to put on the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:23:25 GMT -5
I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.” Steph taking credit for the women's revolution might just come from a practical place. WWE want the credit as a company for taking a progressive step. It kind of undercuts the point to have the messaging be "The men in charge finally decided to give women a chance". That's even before you consider Vince and his well documented on screen treatment of female talent, and HHH's DX past getting female fans to flash their boobs during live shows. Steph is the best executive face they have to put on the whole thing. Pretty much. That, and it doesn’t matter which one of them advocated for who started it from a company standpoint, either one would’ve gotten shit for it lol Stephanie is just the least controversial (although many think otherwise.)
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 20, 2019 15:40:22 GMT -5
If she thinks that, she's either naive or stupid. Or simply her views and her opinion. Doesn’t make her stupid, hah. It makes her stupid, since no one benefits from being in conflict with a villain who is pretty much bulletproof from all consequences. I’d like to know when these instances happen out of character. When she isn’t supposed to be the evil authority figure. She may take some credit, but I highly doubt she’d seriously take all of the credit. Plus, she may think those segments are good for her heel character rather than stroke her “ego.” Steph taking credit for the women's revolution might just come from a practical place. WWE want the credit as a company for taking a progressive step. It kind of undercuts the point to have the messaging be "The men in charge finally decided to give women a chance". That's even before you consider Vince and his well documented on screen treatment of female talent, and HHH's DX past getting female fans to flash their boobs during live shows. Steph is the best executive face they have to put on the whole thing. An approach which breaks down when one considers that she had the power for years to improve women's booking but didn't, and from a kayfabe point of view it makes no sense for a career long heel to suddenly care about the advancement of women, many of which over the last twenty years she has abused, not to mention that such advancment is coming decades after other entertainment companies already took that step.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 20, 2019 15:44:45 GMT -5
Or simply her views and her opinion. Doesn’t make her stupid, hah. It makes her stupid, since no one benefits from being in conflict with a villain who is pretty much bulletproof from all consequences. Steph taking credit for the women's revolution might just come from a practical place. WWE want the credit as a company for taking a progressive step. It kind of undercuts the point to have the messaging be "The men in charge finally decided to give women a chance". That's even before you consider Vince and his well documented on screen treatment of female talent, and HHH's DX past getting female fans to flash their boobs during live shows. Steph is the best executive face they have to put on the whole thing. An approach which breaks down when one considers that she had the power for years to improve women's booking but didn't, and from a kayfabe point of view it makes no sense for a career long heel to suddenly care about the advancement of women, many of which over the last twenty years she has abused, not to mention that such advancment is coming decades after other entertainment companies already took that step. Are we talking about the character or the person here? Just using the term "a career long heel" to describe an actual person muddies the water a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:54:21 GMT -5
It makes her stupid, since no one benefits from being in conflict with a villain who is pretty much bulletproof from all consequences. An approach which breaks down when one considers that she had the power for years to improve women's booking but didn't, and from a kayfabe point of view it makes no sense for a career long heel to suddenly care about the advancement of women, many of which over the last twenty years she has abused, not to mention that such advancment is coming decades after other entertainment companies already took that step. Are we talking about the character or the person here? Just using the term "a career long heel" to describe an actual person muddies the water a bit. That and she was a babyface in 2003, 2009, and most recently 2019.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 20, 2019 16:45:07 GMT -5
Too many. Hell, I was one of them, but when former employees and performers almost universally praise Stephanie - even ones who are less than complimentary about HHH or Vince - it's hard to believe she's not simply that damn good at playing the heel. That’s the reason why I don’t buy this narrative that some have of her. Everyone has praised Stephanie. Whether in good graces with the company or not. Again, you can have beef with her TV character all you want, but don’t let that character influence your take on the human being as its simply a TV show. But her being a good human being doesn't mean she isn't an immediate channel-changer on something I've loved my whole life. It's the only thing I can judge her by.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 16:56:40 GMT -5
That’s the reason why I don’t buy this narrative that some have of her. Everyone has praised Stephanie. Whether in good graces with the company or not. Again, you can have beef with her TV character all you want, but don’t let that character influence your take on the human being as its simply a TV show. But her being a good human being doesn't mean she isn't an immediate channel-changer on something I've loved my whole life. It's the only thing I can judge her by. And that’s totally fair. She isn’t my cup of tea either. I’m mainly talking about those who can’t separate the character from the person, which is way too many.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 20, 2019 17:04:20 GMT -5
But her being a good human being doesn't mean she isn't an immediate channel-changer on something I've loved my whole life. It's the only thing I can judge her by. And that’s totally fair. She isn’t my cup of tea either. I’m mainly talking about those who can’t separate the character from the person, which is way too many. Yeah, I'm getting a bit confused in this conversation. The on screen stuff I don't care for and I'd rather not see the harpy of a character she's been for years. But that's separate to the real life person who no one has a bad word to say about and as I put out there is probably their best representative for various reasons.
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