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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 22:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 24, 2019 22:33:39 GMT -5
Which is a shame b/c it's been a quality show that's suffering b/c of Raw.
It's like when the oldest child gets in trouble, but the youngest sibling gets blamed for it too when they did nothing wrong.
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Post by Fade on Jan 24, 2019 22:36:18 GMT -5
Which is a shame b/c it's been a quality show that's suffering b/c of Raw. It's like when the oldest child gets in trouble, but the youngest sibling gets blamed for it too when they did nothing wrong. And nobody even remembers about jakked.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 24, 2019 22:41:09 GMT -5
Which is a shame b/c it's been a quality show that's suffering b/c of Raw. It's like when the oldest child gets in trouble, but the youngest sibling gets blamed for it too when they did nothing wrong. The whole company is like that. Like, RAW is pretty much the only brand that could be described as being “bad” at the moment (and even then, it’s better than it was a few months ago), but because it’s the long flagship show with the bigger stars, its fortunes are seen as representing those of the company as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 22:50:15 GMT -5
Being honest I forgot SmackDown was even on until sometime Wednesday morning.
I've been watching it here and there of late but I can't really claim in actually being interested in doing so. That I've not watched a full PPV since June (and I'm really leaning toward skipping the Rumble at the moment), by extension of that don't care about what's going on on Raw but would have its stuff cluttering PPVs and constantly being recapped, and absolutely hate this current Bryan stuff basically give me very few reasons to bother with it, in spite of good things like Almas / Mysterio and the Miz stuff.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 24, 2019 22:52:31 GMT -5
Smackdown's been doing its own thing long enough to where it fails or succeeds on its own merits. Anyone blaming Raw for why they wouldn't watch it is just making an excuse.
I think Raw and Smackdown have been markedly better in recent weeks than they had been, but I feel like Rumble will be the test of if WWE can build hype or not and bring people back. If the show's good, it'll probably help the company gain momentum again. If WWE gets lazy, it's going to hurt.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 24, 2019 22:55:17 GMT -5
Smackdown's been doing its own thing long enough to where it fails or succeeds on its own merits. Anyone blaming Raw for why they wouldn't watch it is just making an excuse. I think Raw and Smackdown have been markedly better in recent weeks than they had been, but I feel like Rumble will be the test of if WWE can build hype or not and bring people back. If the show's good, it'll probably help the company gain momentum again. If WWE gets lazy, it's going to hurt. Historically, Smackdown’s ratings go the way of Raw’s ratings, for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 22:55:27 GMT -5
It's too bad, because I've been loving 2019 SDL so far. Not even Becky makes a difference in the ratings, as great as she is.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 24, 2019 23:01:28 GMT -5
It's too bad, because I've been loving 2019 SDL so far. Not even Becky makes a difference in the ratings, as great as she is. That’s the thing. They can get people to “live crowd over”, they can get people to “merch mover over”, but can’t get them to “higher TV ratings over”. And I have no f***ing idea what they could do to fix that (because Lynch has been getting a proper strong push these last few months), that doesn’t require some sort of fundamental change in their whole weekly TV presentation.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 24, 2019 23:16:47 GMT -5
Here's the thing about the Becky push and the women in general. Who is WWE exactly targeting as an audience? It's basic 9th grade English writing with the question of "Who is your audience?" The whole Mandy Rose angle is trash but I can at least see it's being aimed at horny 18-29 year old guys. WWE is trying to do some social engineering of the wrestling fanbase and if you look at the ratings over the past couple of years I'd say long time fans are tuning out and it isn't gaining new fans.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jan 24, 2019 23:24:10 GMT -5
Smackdown's been doing its own thing long enough to where it fails or succeeds on its own merits. Anyone blaming Raw for why they wouldn't watch it is just making an excuse. I think Raw and Smackdown have been markedly better in recent weeks than they had been, but I feel like Rumble will be the test of if WWE can build hype or not and bring people back. If the show's good, it'll probably help the company gain momentum again. If WWE gets lazy, it's going to hurt. I would love to think that, but usually Smackdown dips when Raw does. The shows being back to back nights on USA does play some role in their viewership. As bad as Raw gets it's been on the same day for 20+ years. Smackdown has moved days, times, and channels so much that USA put it the day after Raw so that the audience would couple the two. The shows are linked for better or worse. Smackdown's days of a dedicated audience were when it was later in the week and on network TV. It won't have a separate audience until it's on Friday on Fox. Until they get to that the show will struggle while trying to piggyback off of Raw.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 25, 2019 3:04:13 GMT -5
Here's the thing about the Becky push and the women in general. Who is WWE exactly targeting as an audience? It's basic 9th grade English writing with the question of "Who is your audience?" The whole Mandy Rose angle is trash but I can at least see it's being aimed at horny 18-29 year old guys. WWE is trying to do some social engineering of the wrestling fanbase and if you look at the ratings over the past couple of years I'd say long time fans are tuning out and it isn't gaining new fans. Uh. Women, mang. The target market for a push for women... is women.
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Post by blscks on Jan 25, 2019 13:30:19 GMT -5
Here's the thing about the Becky push and the women in general. Who is WWE exactly targeting as an audience? It's basic 9th grade English writing with the question of "Who is your audience?" The whole Mandy Rose angle is trash but I can at least see it's being aimed at horny 18-29 year old guys. WWE is trying to do some social engineering of the wrestling fanbase and if you look at the ratings over the past couple of years I'd say long time fans are tuning out and it isn't gaining new fans. Uh. Women, mang. The target market for a push for women... is women. They are doing something wrong then. Because the Female 12-34 rating is the lowest ever since it went live.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 25, 2019 15:01:07 GMT -5
They need hotter angles. Which means longer storytelling. Which means not dropping shit before it gets going. Which means Vince needs to go away.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 25, 2019 16:06:52 GMT -5
Bryan - "Ratings are capitalist nonsense"
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2019 18:00:50 GMT -5
I will say it's interesting how RAW fluctuates and looks like a f***ing roller coaster every week and Smackdown just stays the course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 18:34:22 GMT -5
On one hand, yeah, things can be better, but on the other I'm also pretty sure there'll never be another boom period like the Attitude Era again even if they do everything right, so eh. Guess we just have to figure out what that middle ground is.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 25, 2019 19:14:56 GMT -5
Uh. Women, mang. The target market for a push for women... is women. They are doing something wrong then. Because the Female 12-34 rating is the lowest ever since it went live. I didn't say it was working. I was a bit terrified of not being able to think of women as a target market.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 25, 2019 23:55:46 GMT -5
I used to think Tuesday was a better night than Friday for the show but I'm starting to wonder if giving WWE fans time to breathe could give Smackdown the chance to do well in the ratings independent of whether or not RAW struggles.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Jan 26, 2019 13:19:27 GMT -5
I will say it's interesting how RAW fluctuates and looks like a f***ing roller coaster every week and Smackdown just stays the course. I feel like SmackDown viewers are those who represent WWE's core audience. Smackdown has changed channels and timeslots several times throughout the years, and those viewers still follow the show, whereas Raw has remained mostly stable for a generation, minus the addition of the third hour (which has been around long enough to also be stable). My guess is that the audience who watches the third hour of Raw is probably comprised of a majority of people who also habitually and consistently watch SmackDown.
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