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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 26, 2019 12:49:47 GMT -5
Promoters took advantage of him really bad No promoter can take advantage of anyone in terms what they do in the ring. Nobody can force anyone to do dangerous things. They can ask, tell, yell, bribe, threaten, whatever. But they can not MAKE you do it. There is a wonderful word that exists in every language. In English, it's "No". That one word can strike down anything they tell you. And before we get into "Oh but money and family and kids and blah blah blah", there are other jobs in the world. There are other wrestling companies and other lines of work. No one made them be a wrestler but themselves, and no one makes the keep wrestling but themselves. This entire narrative of blaming the promoters for what other people allowed themselves to be put through needs to die.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 12:53:56 GMT -5
Its incredible he never was really a painkiller guy, or drugs guy in general. He might be one of the few wrestling brains that will be tested with no drug abuse, just straight history of steel and cement That's not entirely true. Mick admitted on "the hardcore diaries" that after years of damage he had to take pain killers just to make it to the ring.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 12:55:24 GMT -5
Promoters took advantage of him really bad No promoter can take advantage of anyone in terms what they do in the ring. Nobody can force anyone to do dangerous things. They can ask, tell, yell, bribe, threaten, whatever. But they can not MAKE you do it. There is a wonderful word that exists in every language. In English, it's "No". That one word can strike down anything they tell you. And before we get into "Oh but money and family and kids and blah blah blah", there are other jobs in the world. There are other wrestling companies and other lines of work. No one made them be a wrestler but themselves, and no one makes the keep wrestling but themselves. This entire narrative of blaming the promoters for what other people allowed themselves to be put through needs to die. Yes Mick could've said no instead of taking the money, but Vince ain't no angel by putting him on matches where he was booked to take chairshots to the head.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 26, 2019 13:02:27 GMT -5
I wonder if Foley has at least considered doing the hyperbaric oxygen therapy that helped Bryan out? It may even give him sexual powers
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 13:14:20 GMT -5
Mick admitted that his future is bleak at best. He said that there are days that his head feels like if it was inside a fishbowl filled with water and that he couldn't see or pay attention to anything near him.
Chris Nowinsky taught him that while the chairshots were brutal, they were not what did him in. It was every bump he took. Apparently the whiplash from bumping on his back also hurt his brain over years and years of bumping.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 26, 2019 13:17:00 GMT -5
No promoter can take advantage of anyone in terms what they do in the ring. Nobody can force anyone to do dangerous things. They can ask, tell, yell, bribe, threaten, whatever. But they can not MAKE you do it. There is a wonderful word that exists in every language. In English, it's "No". That one word can strike down anything they tell you. And before we get into "Oh but money and family and kids and blah blah blah", there are other jobs in the world. There are other wrestling companies and other lines of work. No one made them be a wrestler but themselves, and no one makes the keep wrestling but themselves. This entire narrative of blaming the promoters for what other people allowed themselves to be put through needs to die. Yes Mick could've said no instead of taking the money, but Vince ain't no angel by putting him on matches where he was booked to take chairshots to the head. People get asked to do things they don't want to do everyday, and they say no. Mick had shown a willingness to do all the things he did in WWE well before he even got there. Not even the HIAC bump was all that unprecedented for Mick, as he left Dallas after being thrown off a scaffold. Also, a lot of the things Mick did were his own idea and doing. HIAC? Mick's idea, and McMahon being leary of it is well documented. The I Quit match was sold to Vince as being (I believe) 3 chair shots. They ended up doing 11. Again, even at 3, Vince wasn't entirely comfortable with it, but it was Mick's idea and he sold him on it. The blame for the choices people make in their lives are on them, no matter who they are. It's time people start accepting that again.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 13:23:25 GMT -5
Yes Mick could've said no instead of taking the money, but Vince ain't no angel by putting him on matches where he was booked to take chairshots to the head. People get asked to do things they don't want to do everyday, and they say no. Mick had shown a willingness to do all the things he did in WWE well before he even got there. Not even the HIAC bump was all that unprecedented for Mick, as he left Dallas after being thrown off a scaffold. Also, a lot of the things Mick did were his own idea and doing. HIAC? Mick's idea, and McMahon being leary of it is well documented. The I Quit match was sold to Vince as being (I believe) 3 chair shots. They ended up doing 11. Again, even at 3, Vince wasn't entirely comfortable with it, but it was Mick's idea and he sold him on it. The blame for the choices people make in their lives are on them, no matter who they are. It's time people start accepting that again. The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 26, 2019 13:27:40 GMT -5
I wonder if Foley has at least considered doing the hyperbaric oxygen therapy that helped Bryan out? It may even give him sexual powers That's a half truth!
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 26, 2019 13:31:22 GMT -5
People get asked to do things they don't want to do everyday, and they say no. Mick had shown a willingness to do all the things he did in WWE well before he even got there. Not even the HIAC bump was all that unprecedented for Mick, as he left Dallas after being thrown off a scaffold. Also, a lot of the things Mick did were his own idea and doing. HIAC? Mick's idea, and McMahon being leary of it is well documented. The I Quit match was sold to Vince as being (I believe) 3 chair shots. They ended up doing 11. Again, even at 3, Vince wasn't entirely comfortable with it, but it was Mick's idea and he sold him on it. The blame for the choices people make in their lives are on them, no matter who they are. It's time people start accepting that again. The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here. You are blatantly ignoring the original idea of these guys saying no. Vince ASKED him to come back and do things, Mick CHOSE to go back and do those things. Mick was set money wise, was already a bona fide HOFer, had foubd success outside of wrestling...he had no reason or need to not say no other than he WANTED to do the things asked of him. Stop trying to blame outside forces for people's decisions. No one makes anyone do anything.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 13:40:24 GMT -5
The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here. You are blatantly ignoring the original idea of these guys saying no. Vince ASKED him to come back and do things, Mick CHOSE to go back and do those things. Mick was set money wise, was already a bona fide HOFer, had foubd success outside of wrestling...he had no reason or need to not say no other than he WANTED to do the things asked of him. Stop trying to blame outside forces for people's decisions. No one makes anyone do anything. I'm not ignoring anything I'm just telling you that Rock changed the match to have more chairshots. Then why Vince said yes? If Mick only wanted to do hard hitting matches why Vince didn't ordered him not to. Vince already knew how bad the damage was then why even let the Orton, Edge, Flair matches happen? Mick was wrong for wanting to that and Vince is wrong for letting it happen when he knew better. Vince didn't forced him but he had no problem making money from brutal matches by someone who told him he had brain damage. Both Mick and Vince did wrong here. This is the same Vince that had no problem with having several TLC matches. He won't force you but he has no problem making money from it. Stop painting Vince as a humanitarian here lol
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 26, 2019 15:20:45 GMT -5
Promoters took advantage of him really bad Don’t think Vince told him to dive off the cell He made the King of Hardcore basically responsible for elevating the Undertaker, Triple H and The Rock to the next level in major multi-match programs. Mick was able but Vince was more than willing to let him do almost whatever to do it(especially in the Taker/Rock feuds).
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 26, 2019 15:42:41 GMT -5
Honestly, Foley's later years are probably going to be sad. His brain has been through a lot, and age does a number of you as it is. I hope he can pull through okay in the end.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 26, 2019 18:16:41 GMT -5
I wonder if Foley has at least considered doing the hyperbaric oxygen therapy that helped Bryan out? It may even give him sexual powers That's a half truth!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 26, 2019 18:48:23 GMT -5
It's hard to apply what we know now about CTE to even something as recent as the late 90s. The risks just weren't as well documented. You just hope that he can continue to have a good quality of life for a long time to come.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 19:10:36 GMT -5
Don’t think Vince told him to dive off the cell He made the King of Hardcore basically responsible for elevating the Undertaker, Triple H and The Rock to the next level in major multi-match programs. Mick was able but Vince was more than willing to let him do almost whatever to do it(especially in the Taker/Rock feuds). If Vince really cared about the wrestlers' health, Kurt Angle wouldn't be taking bumps.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 26, 2019 19:20:43 GMT -5
The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here. You are blatantly ignoring the original idea of these guys saying no. Vince ASKED him to come back and do things, Mick CHOSE to go back and do those things. Mick was set money wise, was already a bona fide HOFer, had foubd success outside of wrestling...he had no reason or need to not say no other than he WANTED to do the things asked of him. Stop trying to blame outside forces for people's decisions. No one makes anyone do anything. Nobody made Vince allow Mick to do those crazy things either. Mick entered the company with years of damage already on him(including years of head trauma) and Vince was fine with going along with Mick’s suggestions. Vince/WWE had their choices, they were in the power position and they were fine with the damage being done. By your logic, you must be fine with pimps too...
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 26, 2019 20:28:56 GMT -5
People get asked to do things they don't want to do everyday, and they say no. Mick had shown a willingness to do all the things he did in WWE well before he even got there. Not even the HIAC bump was all that unprecedented for Mick, as he left Dallas after being thrown off a scaffold. Also, a lot of the things Mick did were his own idea and doing. HIAC? Mick's idea, and McMahon being leary of it is well documented. The I Quit match was sold to Vince as being (I believe) 3 chair shots. They ended up doing 11. Again, even at 3, Vince wasn't entirely comfortable with it, but it was Mick's idea and he sold him on it. The blame for the choices people make in their lives are on them, no matter who they are. It's time people start accepting that again. The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here. Yes they do, and years later in the later 00s he still was taking crazy bumps in WWE and later TNA. The biggest fault for Foley is not just agreeing to do those things but never protected himself when taking them. He never puts his hand up on chair shots, he always took then hard and direct.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 26, 2019 20:35:27 GMT -5
The I Quit match was supposed to be less chairshots but The Rock kept throwing them Then after that year Mick "retired" because he was developing memory loss. Then why Vince had him back and keep having the same brutal matches? Both Mick and Vince deserve blame here. Yes they do, and years later in the later 00s he still was taking crazy bumps in WWE and later TNA. The biggest fault for Foley is not just agreeing to do those things but never protected himself when taking them. He never puts his hand up on chair shots, he always took then hard and direct. It's the only way Mick knows how to go, he has to leave it all on the ring. When he started, his trainer told him to have a career outside of wrestling because he didn't see Mick becoming a star. Shane Douglas was the favorite of that school and look how his life turned out. In order to compensate for his lack of body and coordination. Mick decided that he needed to become the best bump taker of all time. He described that in order to bump better, he would go to the park and take bumps on the dirt. Then he became a hardcore icon in order to get his name out there. Because of his hard work he became a millionaire, unfortunately his last years won't be great.
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